Z4M vredestein ultrac sessanta
Discussion
russg2009 said:
Hi Guys, need some advice, being told all sorts by garages.
firstly are they any good, seem quite cheap compared to the others etc....
sizes are FR 245 35 ZR19 x 275 30 ZR19 on the rear! need to replace all 4 ASAP advice is appreciated as always.
Very good tyre. Probably recommend dropping to 235 on the fronts and 265 on the rear to avoid any potential rubbing.firstly are they any good, seem quite cheap compared to the others etc....
sizes are FR 245 35 ZR19 x 275 30 ZR19 on the rear! need to replace all 4 ASAP advice is appreciated as always.
daz4m said:
paulmon said:
Very good tyre. Probably recommend dropping to 235 on the fronts and 265 on the rear to avoid any potential rubbing.
+1, meant to drive better on the thinner tyres too.
I've used Sessantas on a T350 and a Bimmer 123d Coupe. Had no issues at all but suspect that more modern rubber would give better grip as I found turn in a little soft. Swapped to Goodyear Asyms and they offer more bite on turn in . I also found the Tiv could overwhelm rear grip fairly easily on the sessantas but still had shed loads more grip than crappy Hancooks fitted by previous owner (cost saving measure me thinks). So overall a good midrange tyre but not quite in the top league of all round road tyres.
I ran them on my C5 RS6 for around 15k miles. They are very good in the dry, but not excellent, and as a summer tyre they need warming up to get the best of the dry grip. However, i have yet to find a tyre that is as good in the wet and snow. Also, they wear very well and where most tyres would struggle to get beyond 12k miles on the RS they easily saw me through 15k miles with about another 2k left in reserve. Yes, they are a bit heavier than the regular contenders, but what they do provide is, good rim protection, very stiff tyre walls (quite similar to runflats in stuffness so as a downside they might be hard on your alloys being the soft BMW type), good wet weather tread pattern and good looking to boot.
Point to note is that on the Vreds you need to give them about 1000 miles to scrub in before they start to work for you. They have quite a hard outer shell which can be slippery at first but they do run in well.
Eddie
Point to note is that on the Vreds you need to give them about 1000 miles to scrub in before they start to work for you. They have quite a hard outer shell which can be slippery at first but they do run in well.
Eddie
AliV6 said:
Michelins are a better tyre, lighter and easier to fit. Also look better if that's your bag!
Michelins (PS2's) are considerably more expensive, slightly better in the dry but nowhere near as good as the Vredesteins in the wet; the ride is also a bit less compliant than with Ultrac Sessantas IMO. All this is based on experience with an M3 CS as opposed to a Z4M but I'd say that for all-round performance the Vredesteins represent a very good choice. I've not tried the Goodyears people have mentioned elsewhere on this thread but I certainly wouldn't regard the extra for PS2's as money well spent unless your car's a second vehicle that you never take out in the wet!JNW1 said:
Michelins (PS2's) are considerably more expensive, slightly better in the dry but nowhere near as good as the Vredesteins in the wet; the ride is also a bit less compliant than with Ultrac Sessantas IMO. All this is based on experience with an M3 CS as opposed to a Z4M but I'd say that for all-round performance the Vredesteins represent a very good choice. I've not tried the Goodyears people have mentioned elsewhere on this thread but I certainly wouldn't regard the extra for PS2's as money well spent unless your car's a second vehicle that you never take out in the wet!
However, the PS2's have been superceded by Michelin Super Sports which have had very good reports on their wet performance. Went through 2 front sets and 3 rears of them on my Z4M. Loved them for the price. Funny that some mentioned they have stiff sidewalls because i thought mine felt decidedly softer than the stock Contisport M3s the car came with.
They're pretty good in the dry but i haven't really tried them in the wet. Doesn't rain much here. :P As for looks, well it is a subjective thing but i disagree with AliV6, i think they look very cool.
I'm now rocking Yokohama AD08s because i wanted to try a much more performance focused tire but i wouldnt hesitate to recommend the Ultrac Sessanta's to someone who wants a good performing tire at a good price. Their eventual replacements should be a tire to keep an eye out for.
They're pretty good in the dry but i haven't really tried them in the wet. Doesn't rain much here. :P As for looks, well it is a subjective thing but i disagree with AliV6, i think they look very cool.
I'm now rocking Yokohama AD08s because i wanted to try a much more performance focused tire but i wouldnt hesitate to recommend the Ultrac Sessanta's to someone who wants a good performing tire at a good price. Their eventual replacements should be a tire to keep an eye out for.
daz4m said:
I've never heard anything said about the weight of these before does anyone have any data? 2kg sounds like utter bs to me.
Nice choice of words. Weight of M approved 19" tyres in 245/35/19 & 265/35/19 are 10.3kg / 11.4kg for Conti and 10.5kg / 11.5kg for Michelin. Vreds are 12.8kg / 13.6kg. They do not make a 265, so the rear weight is for 275/35/19.I suggest doing some research first, before jumping to the wrong conclusion.
ant man said:
Nice choice of words. Weight of M approved 19" tyres in 245/35/19 & 265/35/19 are 10.3kg / 11.4kg for Conti and 10.5kg / 11.5kg for Michelin. Vreds are 12.8kg / 13.6kg. They do not make a 265, so the rear weight is for 275/35/19.
I suggest doing some research first, before jumping to the wrong conclusion.
I asked a question, that's what this symbol means "?". Can you provide a source for the Vred weights you quoted? 2kg per side does seem wrong and I stand by what I said.I suggest doing some research first, before jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Also worth noting the sizes you quote are not Z4m approved tyres, only Z4m approved tyres would be 18".
The only weight specs for Vreds I could find online were 235/35/19 - 24.89 lbs (11.2kg) and 245/35/19 - 26.4 lbs. May not be accurate very hard to tell.
I'm not familiar with oem approved tyres but Tyre rack has some weights for Continentals. No idea if they are accurate but all I could find.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=C...
Nevertheless, I do find it amusing that you opted for the 19" wheel option on what I assume is the E92, not the lightest in the fleet and are now getting excited over tyre weights. Lol.
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