E60 M5 vs. E92 M3

[tyeo86]

Morning guys,

I looking at selling my current car E92 M3 and possibly buying an E60 m5. The reason being firstly I need some short term cash and secondly I dont feel the E92 has any noise about it. I've had the car since July and I must say i'm a little dissapointed. the car is a 57 plate manual and I dont feel there is any theatre/noise to the car, feels a little dead.
I have been looking at cheaper alternatives & have seen 50k miles plus m5's knocking about for roughly 19k/21k. Also the m5 is 5 door and much bigger?? so if I ever have children they would be catered for. I quite like the idea also of the auto gear box.

Advice would be very welcome. also where would be the best place to sell the m3??

thanks in advance

[belleair302]

Why not buy a decent induction box, exhaust and set of headers! Job done. E60's sound dreadful when starting and not much better until you give them the full beans. Can be seriously expensive if something goes wrong and you se a main dealer without a warranty. Somewhat unloved at the moment, prices are falling. The touring is a great buy and makes good sense if you want a V10 with space. Be wary of the electronics on the 60 and why not look at an Alpina!! Bespoke manufacturer, full auto box with switchtronic, amazing damping and faster than a rocket. rare but simply amazing cars. B5 or B5s and you will be laughing once a lsd is fitted.

[tyeo86]

belleair302 said:

Why not buy a decent induction box, exhaust and set of headers! Job done. E60's sound dreadful when starting and not much better until you give them the full beans. Can be seriously expensive if something goes wrong and you se a main dealer without a warranty. Somewhat unloved at the moment, prices are falling. The touring is a great buy and makes good sense if you want a V10 with space. Be wary of the electronics on the 60 and why not look at an Alpina!! Bespoke manufacturer, full auto box with switchtronic, amazing damping and faster than a rocket. rare but simply amazing cars. B5 or B5s and you will be laughing once a lsd is fitted.

Thank mate sound advice, i thought about a new exhaust maybe a tubi rumour but that another 2.5k to spend. whats the Alpina you speak of? LSD?

[shim]

Supersprint back box for £500, job done

[tyeo86]

shim said:

Supersprint back box for £500, job done

just checked £500 per exhaust, still 1k plus fitting.

good shout though

[Hedgetrimmer]

I test drove both cars and ended up buying an E92 M3 as it offered more theatre. The E60 M5 is a fantastic allrounder but it doesn't feel as special at 6/7 tenths. It is also starting to look dated whereas the E92 is not too far away from more recent BMW bloodline.

You could release more noise from the E92 buy getting a decent exhaust builder to take the sound insulation out of your current exhaust. It will still look stock but will sound more purposeful.

E60 can be frighteningly expensive to run. You will not see single figure when pushing on and, clutches, disks pads etc will wear out more quickly. Most dealers now walking away from early M5's as they can easly cost more than £3k to prep for the forecourt.

[ant man]

Removing the inards of the secondary cats releases more noise on WOT but not when cruising. It also looks completely stock and does not impact MOT emission test.

Be very weary with backboxes as most introduce drone.

I was talking to a chap at the w/end and a front wheel bearing for his M5 cost £700 in parts!

[Cheburator mk2]

ant man said:

I was talking to a chap at the w/end and a front wheel bearing for his M5 cost £700 in parts!

there must have been something else wrong. the front hub and the bearing are around £200. the bearing on its own is about £50 from skf.

never let the facts stand in the way of a good story, eh...

[tyeo86]

Hedgetrimmer said:

I test drove both cars and ended up buying an E92 M3 as it offered more theatre. The E60 M5 is a fantastic allrounder but it doesn't feel as special at 6/7 tenths. It is also starting to look dated whereas the E92 is not too far away from more recent BMW bloodline.

You could release more noise from the E92 buy getting a decent exhaust builder to take the sound insulation out of your current exhaust. It will still look stock but will sound more purposeful.

E60 can be frighteningly expensive to run. You will not see single figure when pushing on and, clutches, disks pads etc will wear out more quickly. Most dealers now walking away from early M5's as they can easly cost more than £3k to prep for the forecourt.

Whats the handling like comparing both? I find the steering on the m3 uninvolving.

[ant man]

Cheburator mk2 said:

there must have been something else wrong. the front hub and the bearing are around £200. the bearing on its own is about £50 from skf.

never let the facts stand in the way of a good story, eh...

Indeed, good spot. He mentioned that the aluminium arm had to be cut off as it had seized. I suspect that this was the majority of the cost. The chap was quite old and went to BMW, I doubt he'd even heard of SKF

[ecain63]

Seriously? You're wanting to save cash by selling your 2007 M3 for an older M5? Come on! That's like wanting to chop in your dog for a lion because apparently they are safer around kids.

Think about it! A 19k M5, 6 years old, probably not eligable for a warranty........... Stick with your M3 if you want to save cash. If the ageing M5 breaks it'll soon mop up any spare change you've got.

Ha! I'm still chuckling.

[TJW]

If its theatre/noise you want on a budget, then watch this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4V8GsBOLx4

and this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UEA_Fozo00&fea...


Cut open the backbox, remove the baffles, wrap the pipes in exhaust wrap and weld shut! Job done.

[Plainview23]

Just a related query - why, in stock form, is the E92 V8 so tame sounding compared to, say, Audi's 4.2 V8? In the RS4 or R8 their V8 sounds fantastic without any mods... and with mods it sounds like a grumpy Thor.

[cerb4.5lee]

Plainview23 said:

Just a related query - why, in stock form, is the E92 V8 so tame sounding compared to, say, Audi's 4.2 V8? In the RS4 or R8 their V8 sounds fantastic without any mods... and with mods it sounds like a grumpy Thor.

I must admit a adore the e92 m3 & when i test drove one i thought the sound was quite tame & on tickover the exhaust is virtually silent,which i find a shame when its got a nice 4.0 v8 under the bonnet.

I also agree with you about the RS4 they sound lovely all of the time.Always thought if i do ever get an m3 i would always have to swap the exhaust straight away,i really like engines to show their intent vocally.

[Hedgetrimmer]

tyeo86 said:

Whats the handling like comparing both? I find the steering on the m3 uninvolving.

For some reason the steering on my car is more informative than others that I have tried. It comes alive when pushing on and it offers more information about the road surface than I remember from other E92 M3's. The steering may be light but this doesn't mean it is lifeless. You can also reduce the level of assistance in both cars which makes a difference.