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Anyone have any experience of early Td6 full fat Range Rovers?
Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
Wasn't expecting it to be quick... I can go and play sweet V6 sounds with the GTV when that need occurs 
More interested in whether the early ones are dogged by niggling faults, unfixable gremlins, duff switchgear, Christmas tree dashboard lighting effects, DPF failures (if they have one?), bits dropping off, etc.
If it's the BM 330D lump, then I'd guess a little light remapping can be done, not sure how the auto box would feel about that however.
More interested in whether the early ones are dogged by niggling faults, unfixable gremlins, duff switchgear, Christmas tree dashboard lighting effects, DPF failures (if they have one?), bits dropping off, etc.
If it's the BM 330D lump, then I'd guess a little light remapping can be done, not sure how the auto box would feel about that however.
Girlfriends parents have one. Not as tediously slow as you might imagine (and as said I suspect they respond to tweaking)' however they aren't the quietest. A nice straight six thrum under the clatter but it's not exactly isolated.
The earlier v8's with the BMW unit have got a lovely induction howl and aren't too much thirstier (18mpg vs 21 for the diesel), but they're also not exactly a rocketship
The earlier v8's with the BMW unit have got a lovely induction howl and aren't too much thirstier (18mpg vs 21 for the diesel), but they're also not exactly a rocketship
SWH said:
Anyone have any experience of early Td6 full fat Range Rovers?
Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
Personally I'm not a fan of the bloated look of the L322, so I'd say a nice P38a, they look much slicker IMO and all the better for it.Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
As an alternative I'd maybe look at diesel Grand Cherokee's. Slightly more compact than the RR's but still pretty capable.
300bhp/ton said:
SWH said:
Anyone have any experience of early Td6 full fat Range Rovers?
Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
Personally I'm not a fan of the bloated look of the L322, so I'd say a nice P38a, they look much slicker IMO and all the better for it.Was looking at Shoguns to be honest, but was then sidetracked by late dHSE P38 Range Rovers - aware of most of the issues these have, the old man has one. Ventured up in price a touch and the newer shape one appeared in my search.... curious what goes wrong on them, and if they're a good steer?
Is it better to spend £6-7K on a really good late P38, or £10-12K on a decent early L322 (think that's the right model number); or in fact is it all just madness and somewhere in between those two budgets sits a Shogun which will spend less time going wrong?
As an alternative I'd maybe look at diesel Grand Cherokee's. Slightly more compact than the RR's but still pretty capable.
300bhp/ton said:
Personally I'm not a fan of the bloated look of the L322, so I'd say a nice P38a, they look much slicker IMO and all the better for it.
As an alternative I'd maybe look at diesel Grand Cherokee's. Slightly more compact than the RR's but still pretty capable.
The metro cab look As an alternative I'd maybe look at diesel Grand Cherokee's. Slightly more compact than the RR's but still pretty capable.
Right, from the off I am a big Land Rover fan. I've owned a fair few models over the years and without question, the P38 is the one LR product that I would not touch. Basing this purely on the LR specialists I have used over the years and the people I know who have owned them.... and who have got rid because they are money pits.
Now, that's not to say that there are not a few cherished minters out there which would be better prospects than leggy and abused L322's, but I remember the sage words that were given to me when I spoke to a LR specialist about potentially purchasing one. He said, whatever you spend on a P38, make sure you have roughly the same amount stashed away in an account somewhere to fix it.
300bhp/ton said:
St John Smythe said:
I wouldn't touch any P38 with the longest barge pole you could find!
Your loss then. We've had 2, both 4.6 HSE's and both were fab, not a single issue between them.Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 22 September 11:49
B.J.W said:
The metro cab look
Right, from the off I am a big Land Rover fan. I've owned a fair few models over the years and without question, the P38 is the one LR product that I would not touch. Basing this purely on the LR specialists I have used over the years and the people I know who have owned them.... and who have got rid because they are money pits.
Now, that's not to say that there are not a few cherished minters out there which would be better prospects than leggy and abused L322's, but I remember the sage words that were given to me when I spoke to a LR specialist about potentially purchasing one. He said, whatever you spend on a P38, make sure you have roughly the same amount stashed away in an account somewhere to fix it.
The thing is, p38's aren't really that complex. The air suspension while scary is fairly simple. But sadly many garages and claimed specialists seem to know nothing about it. So usually replace bits that are perfectly fine and overcharge the customer for the privilege.Right, from the off I am a big Land Rover fan. I've owned a fair few models over the years and without question, the P38 is the one LR product that I would not touch. Basing this purely on the LR specialists I have used over the years and the people I know who have owned them.... and who have got rid because they are money pits.
Now, that's not to say that there are not a few cherished minters out there which would be better prospects than leggy and abused L322's, but I remember the sage words that were given to me when I spoke to a LR specialist about potentially purchasing one. He said, whatever you spend on a P38, make sure you have roughly the same amount stashed away in an account somewhere to fix it.
Engines, well the V8's are the same as the Disco 2. I know there are some liner issues, but overall the RV8 is as stout as ever.
Diesels don't like starting when hot, but apart from that they are ok and all BMW.
Gearboxes, I've not known these t be real issues.
Axles, basically the same idea as other LR products, although they are different. Again not known them to be issues.
Then it's down to the usual electrical gremlins with the dual zone climate, central locking and electric seats.
If you don't mind tinkering a little and are prepared to do some research I don't see why they need to be a money pit at all.
I had a P38.
Done my research, knew what to look for with finally spending over the odds to make sure I got a good one.
Got a low mile, full service history 4.6 HSE. Felt great to drive but frOm the start things were going wrong, Between electrics, suspension and engine issues. I eventually gave up and sold at a loss. Now have an L322 and it's a world of difference!
Avoid P38, Seriously.
Done my research, knew what to look for with finally spending over the odds to make sure I got a good one.
Got a low mile, full service history 4.6 HSE. Felt great to drive but frOm the start things were going wrong, Between electrics, suspension and engine issues. I eventually gave up and sold at a loss. Now have an L322 and it's a world of difference!
Avoid P38, Seriously.
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