Kids Cage Fighting

[Oakey]

just saw a bit on the news about a kids cage fighting match in a pub and whether it's right or not.

link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8778582/Chi...

I don't see how it's any worse than any other martial arts or boxing, etc and yet it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I can't work out why

[jmorgan]

Jeepers. That is disturbing. Not looked at the vid for some reason, something wrong there.

[Gogoplata]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Sheets Tabuer]

I reckon I could beat one.

[Marf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QvEtsBEg8A

Not sure how it's any different

[EDLT]

The video has been taken down. Don't Thai kickboxers start fighting professionally at a similar age?

Odd that that manager of a gym questioned them using joint locks on each other, even though young children learn karate/judo etc. where they practice the same thing all the time.

[Jasandjules]

EDLT said:

The video has been taken down. Don't Thai kickboxers start fighting professionally at a similar age?

Odd that that manager of a gym questioned them using joint locks on each other, even though young children learn karate/judo etc. where they practice the same thing all the time.

Practice is totally different to using it in anger. I "practice", a lock which f***ng hurts when only 20-30% power is used, and severely bruises the arm as well. BUT if I were to try it on someone in a "s**t I better lock down his arm before I get hurt" kind of way, it would be a lot, lot, lot more painful.

I think this is too much for no headgear or protection at all.

[Zod]

at Preston Labour Club, no less. This is quite simply child abuse.

[Gogoplata]

Zod said:

at Preston Labour Club, no less. This is quite simply child abuse.

Just to reiterate: It was nothing more than a grappling match, no striking at all. No different than the kids who compete in Judo, BJJ, Wrestling week in week out, only difference was that it was in a cage.

[EDLT]

Jasandjules said:

EDLT said:

The video has been taken down. Don't Thai kickboxers start fighting professionally at a similar age?

Odd that that manager of a gym questioned them using joint locks on each other, even though young children learn karate/judo etc. where they practice the same thing all the time.

Practice is totally different to using it in anger. I "practice", a lock which f***ng hurts when only 20-30% power is used, and severely bruises the arm as well. BUT if I were to try it on someone in a "s**t I better lock down his arm before I get hurt" kind of way, it would be a lot, lot, lot more painful.

I think this is too much for no headgear or protection at all.

Well there are under-10's Judo competitions, do they use full force there?

[Fittster]

Zod said:

at Preston Labour Club, no less.

Labour club provides activities to keep children fit and entertained, I'm sure you'll be congratulating Ed Miliband.

[Fittster]

Telegraph says "children should box"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3554643/End-the...

So which right wing paper is correct?

[Derek Smith]

Fittster said:

Zod said:

at Preston Labour Club, no less.

Labour club provides activities to keep children fit and entertained, I'm sure you'll be congratulating Ed Miliband.

It is remarkable, isn't it. Kids using up their energy and all of a sudden it is headlines in the Mail. What a dreaful newspaper.

I belong to a rugby club. Kids as young as 7 run about, bumpting into one another, and have a good time. I'm not going to say where this is in case a Mail hack decides to publicise this horrific abuse of children.

I think the fact that it is a Labour Club is the main bone of contention.

If you ask me, X-Box is more akin to child abuse.

[jonah35]

if the kids want to do it and the parents are happy for them to do it then good stuff imho - nothing wrong with a grappling match.

it wasn't actual 'cage fighting' but in a cage so they can get used to the feel of being in a cage when they compete in later life

much better than going out mugging etc

good for them

[Tiggsy]

"Michelle Anderson, owner of Greenlands Labour Club, who attended the event, defended the spectacle, saying: “There was nothing wrong with it.
"The kids were there to fight, they have fought before. The parents were there. Would people rather these kids were out on the streets with guns and knives?""

Why is the alternative to something dumb always something more dumb? Cage fighting = better than mugging people = ok. Hmmmm, very thought out.

[mph1977]

handwringing over the fact it's 'cage fighting' and the image that it portrays of slightly underworld connections , as if it's one step removed from dog fighting or caravan utilising nomadic traveller bare knuckle 'boxing'.


the PR advantage of eastern martial arts is the effective way it's dressed up in all the bushido and samurai imagery of honourable warriors who don't use their skills unless there is a reason or a competition ... rather than the slightly 'council' image kickboxing and cage fighting has

[FeatherZ]

Stop being cretins its a technical fight much like judo and jj.

[Oakey]

mph1977 said:

handwringing over the fact it's 'cage fighting' and the image that it portrays of slightly underworld connections, as if it's one step removed from dog fighting or caravan utilising nomadic traveller bare knuckle 'boxing'.


the PR advantage of eastern martial arts is the effective way it's dressed up in all the bushido and samurai imagery of honourable warriors who don't use their skills unless there is a reason or a competition ... rather than the slightly 'council' image kickboxing and cage fighting has

there is that but then the same could be applied to boxing, just look at how many you gangland enforcers, etc originated from east end boxing gyms

[nocarjames]

EDLT said:

Well there are under-10's Judo competitions, do they use full force there?

they used too, i was a yellow belt and three dan (i think) by the age of 9, we had judo as an after school option from 7.

had about 4 'fights' in total, it was very much a grapple, try and flip them over and then do a hold on the ground. great fun, it ended unfortunately as our teacher went off to compete in commonwealth or olympics and they then started karate instead but never got in to that

but there is a difference from been in a sports hall on a nice thick blue mat and a strict referee with your mam cheering you on then what those images show

[EDLT]

nocarjames said:

EDLT said:

Well there are under-10's Judo competitions, do they use full force there?

they used too, i was a yellow belt and three dan (i think) by the age of 9, we had judo as an after school option from 7.

had about 4 'fights' in total, it was very much a grapple, try and flip them over and then do a hold on the ground. great fun, it ended unfortunately as our teacher went off to compete in commonwealth or olympics and they then started karate instead but never got in to that

but there is a difference from been in a sports hall on a nice thick blue mat and a strict referee with your mam cheering you on then what those images show

Cage fights also have referees, and I assume your mum cheered you on at the judo match.