60mph Signs - Are they legal??
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Seem to remember reading some where on here that the 60mph signs aren't legal. (Something to do with the fact that different vehicles have different NSL limits.
The reason I ask is that I drive through Denham each day. (The road from the Chalfonts upto the A40). This is a dual carriageway seperated with a grass verge.
Surely this should be a 70limit?
I don't want to risk it as I have seen the police parked up at the top of the hill pointing their laser towards on coming traffic. (As you come from the A40, heading towards the Chalfonts, you go through the traffic lights and up around the bend. - They shove a police car there, along with a couple of cars to catch you.) Considering I don't think there has ever been any accidents where they are waiting I think its a bit unfair to say the least!
The reason I ask is that I drive through Denham each day. (The road from the Chalfonts upto the A40). This is a dual carriageway seperated with a grass verge.
Surely this should be a 70limit?
I don't want to risk it as I have seen the police parked up at the top of the hill pointing their laser towards on coming traffic. (As you come from the A40, heading towards the Chalfonts, you go through the traffic lights and up around the bend. - They shove a police car there, along with a couple of cars to catch you.) Considering I don't think there has ever been any accidents where they are waiting I think its a bit unfair to say the least!
pmanson said:
Seem to remember reading some where on here that the 60mph signs aren't legal. (Something to do with the fact that different vehicles have different NSL limits.
The reason I ask is that I drive through Denham each day. (The road from the Chalfonts upto the A40). This is a dual carriageway seperated with a grass verge.
Surely this should be a 70limit?
You have answered your own question.
60MPH is not the NSL on a dual carriageway.
Therefore, there must be a 60MPH order on the road.
Therefore (assuming that there is an order) 60MPH roundels are legal.
The post to which you referred, referred to 60MPH signs on single carriageway roads.
Just to take this thread slightly off topic for a minute...
In Scotland you rarely (or maybe never - correct me if I'm wrong) get NSL signs. They have 60 and 70mph signs. It makes more sense really. The only good thing about NSL signs is that they hint that the speedlimit may be incresed in the near future.
How about a Scandinavian approach, where advanced or race licensed drivers can judge their own limits on a NSL road???
In Scotland you rarely (or maybe never - correct me if I'm wrong) get NSL signs. They have 60 and 70mph signs. It makes more sense really. The only good thing about NSL signs is that they hint that the speedlimit may be incresed in the near future.
How about a Scandinavian approach, where advanced or race licensed drivers can judge their own limits on a NSL road???
feet said:
Just to take this thread slightly off topic for a minute...
In Scotland you rarely (or maybe never - correct me if I'm wrong) get NSL signs. They have 60 and 70mph signs.
Yes there are some 60 and 70 signs. In general, however, the NSL sign is used on non-motorway routes when you leave towns or other speed limits, exactly the same as England and Wales.
tvrgit said:
Just to take this thread slightly off topic for a minute...
In Scotland you rarely (or maybe never - correct me if I'm wrong) get NSL signs. They have 60 and 70mph signs.
Yes there are some 60 and 70 signs. In general, however, the NSL sign is used on non-motorway routes when you leave towns or other speed limits, exactly the same as England and Wales.
Yeah, now you mention it.
feet said:
Yes there are some 60 and 70 signs. In general, however, the NSL sign is used on non-motorway routes when you leave towns or other speed limits, exactly the same as England and Wales.
Yeah, now you mention it.
If you are referring to motorways, as would appear to be the case, following your reply to tvrgit, motorways were not the subject of the earlier posts, and the 'derestriction' sign should not be used on a motorway, except, for some obscure reason which escapes me, at the end of a temporary speed limit due to road works.
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Monday 14th June 23:12
gh0st said:
To be honest I think these 60 signs are a good idea. If you go to or from North Devon from Jct 27 of the M5, its almost eerie that everyone drives at a perfect 60MPH due to the 60 signs.
Put an NSL sign and the numpties theneverything up because they dont know what speed to do
These signs are there because you come off a motorway, onto dual carriageway and then straight onto the North Devon Link Road (or A361). Although it looks a nice high speed road it is in fact very dangerous in certain places and is subject to 60mph limit. There have been a huge number of fatalites on it every year since it was built when it should really have been made a dual carriageway). I know the road and drive quite fast on it sometimes but I know where the dangerous parts are.
I used to commute it everyday and I've been in one serious accident on that road as a passenger and witnessed the death of one driver in a separate accident.
Anyway, any local driving enthusiast worth his salt would steer well clear of the grockle route that is the A361 and go on the adjacent B3227 which is probably the emptiest and best 'drivers' roads in the county!
>> Edited by jam1et on Wednesday 16th June 13:55
tvrgit said:
I can't be bothered looking up the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, but the reason is in there somewhere.
I don't recall ever seing any reasons for any regulations in the TSRGDs.
Dwight VanDriver said:
An "End of Road Works" sign is the indication back to NSL......
Sorry, I was referring to the special case where the 'real' speed limit changed during the road works, and there was a '70' at the end.
jeffreyarcher said:
I can't be bothered looking up the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, but the reason is in there somewhere.
I don't recall ever seing any reasons for any regulations in the TSRGDs.
No, true - I meant the regulation that says you have to use one sign in one case, and a different sign in another case - but not the reason right enough (you ARE a real lawyer aren't you!}
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