Is Massa past it?
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Felipe Massa is a little baby who spat the dummy out today, I had great respect for him when Lewis won the champion and Massa acted like a 100% true gent, very gracious in defeat. Now after his crash it appears his driving is sub-standard for being in a leading car and he just can't deliver, this is backed up by "alonso is faster than you,now move as your holding everyone up".
His action to hamilton today was disrespectful and stupid, lucky he didn't get a punch for that, hopefully repremanded by Stefano, who in a previous interview seemed very "racing incident" this just happens. Massa is massa's only problem, lewis had a drive through penalty and still got a far better result than Massa.
Will Massa still be in a ferrari for much longer?
His action to hamilton today was disrespectful and stupid, lucky he didn't get a punch for that, hopefully repremanded by Stefano, who in a previous interview seemed very "racing incident" this just happens. Massa is massa's only problem, lewis had a drive through penalty and still got a far better result than Massa.
Will Massa still be in a ferrari for much longer?
His form is not the same as the 2006-2008 Massa i routed for.
Bit of a shame..
I think he needs to move on from Ferrari or change his approach.
The current one he has isn't working.
Other factors...
Is he over the spring incident?
Is Ferrari with Alonso crushing his motivation?
Bit of a shame..
I think he needs to move on from Ferrari or change his approach.
The current one he has isn't working.
Other factors...
Is he over the spring incident?
Is Ferrari with Alonso crushing his motivation?
Edited by Streps on Sunday 25th September 18:51
I don't know. One thing is for sure, he has half the points of Hamilton (even with Hamilton's alleged bad driving this year) and he should be concentrating on upping his own game rather than criticising others.
He has been marginalised as a No2 driver and that plus his crash has lost him that cutting edge IMO.
Either shape up or get out I think, sadly.
He has been marginalised as a No2 driver and that plus his crash has lost him that cutting edge IMO.
Either shape up or get out I think, sadly.
Past it / lost it - something along those lines.. Big shame.. But he's just 'too nice' on track too.
Struggles to effectively pass cars when he is told to pick up the pace, and when it comes to defending - you know he won't be holding onto his place for long.
And that's speaking as a huge Massa fan from back in the Sauber days...
... Let us not for forget when he used to kick Kimi's arse most Sundays with the same car, and those few seconds when he was WDC.
Struggles to effectively pass cars when he is told to pick up the pace, and when it comes to defending - you know he won't be holding onto his place for long.
And that's speaking as a huge Massa fan from back in the Sauber days...
... Let us not for forget when he used to kick Kimi's arse most Sundays with the same car, and those few seconds when he was WDC.
PW said:
I don't know how he is avoiding the scrutiny his position deserves.
I know Ferrari have their favourite driver in Alonso, but I would have thought that winning the constructors title would be an important goal for the team, So obviously whilst having another superstar in the car is out of the question, you would think they would want someone that can finish ahead of Force Indias.
I don't see how constantly criticising Hamilton is going to help him, regardless of how justified it is - it seems more an unhealthy fixation and convenient distraction from the real reason for his poor results; that he is just not fast enough either in qualifying or the race.
That Domenicali shrugged today's incident off entirely, rather than supporting Massa was quite amusing.
I think he's quickly eroding the memory of Massa; the talented, likeable guy who held his own against Schumacher and nearly won a WDC, and is now Massa; the moaning mid-field malcontent. It probably isn't doing his future employment prospects any good either.
I must have watched the Hamilton/ Massa on track collision a dozen times on replay and can't fathom how anyone could make it into what it became. Either with the stewards or Massa and his post race antics. I've typed and deleted probably a hundred words about it and realised that in regards to Massa, this sums it up in a nutshell.I know Ferrari have their favourite driver in Alonso, but I would have thought that winning the constructors title would be an important goal for the team, So obviously whilst having another superstar in the car is out of the question, you would think they would want someone that can finish ahead of Force Indias.
I don't see how constantly criticising Hamilton is going to help him, regardless of how justified it is - it seems more an unhealthy fixation and convenient distraction from the real reason for his poor results; that he is just not fast enough either in qualifying or the race.
That Domenicali shrugged today's incident off entirely, rather than supporting Massa was quite amusing.
I think he's quickly eroding the memory of Massa; the talented, likeable guy who held his own against Schumacher and nearly won a WDC, and is now Massa; the moaning mid-field malcontent. It probably isn't doing his future employment prospects any good either.
The only thing I can add is that I feel Massa isn't actually in denial about the situation he is in. He simply isn't aware of it.
Pw's post.... nail and head.
Tony 1234 said:
Ferrari should give the drive to paul di resta, what a driver 
Agreed, Diresta is an excelent driver but i think we'll see him in a Mercedes before too long, hopefully replacing Schumacher. I think Perez is already being lined up to replace Massa at Ferrari, with any luck he'll be quicker than Alonso.
I can see Massa ending up in a midfield Team, Williams or sauber most likely.
I'm pretty certain Massa is on the way out. Especially when all his outbursts and complaints seem to backfire with people questioning him rather than agreeing with him.
I think if criticism came from Vettel, Webber, Alonso etc, it would be listened to more but Massa is on such a dodgy wicket, I don't think he can complain too much.
I think if criticism came from Vettel, Webber, Alonso etc, it would be listened to more but Massa is on such a dodgy wicket, I don't think he can complain too much.
spunkytherabbit said:
PW said:
I don't know how he is avoiding the scrutiny his position deserves.
I know Ferrari have their favourite driver in Alonso, but I would have thought that winning the constructors title would be an important goal for the team, So obviously whilst having another superstar in the car is out of the question, you would think they would want someone that can finish ahead of Force Indias.
I don't see how constantly criticising Hamilton is going to help him, regardless of how justified it is - it seems more an unhealthy fixation and convenient distraction from the real reason for his poor results; that he is just not fast enough either in qualifying or the race.
That Domenicali shrugged today's incident off entirely, rather than supporting Massa was quite amusing.
I think he's quickly eroding the memory of Massa; the talented, likeable guy who held his own against Schumacher and nearly won a WDC, and is now Massa; the moaning mid-field malcontent. It probably isn't doing his future employment prospects any good either.
+2 I guess, Ferrari are throwing away constructors points every race they keep Massa in the team.I know Ferrari have their favourite driver in Alonso, but I would have thought that winning the constructors title would be an important goal for the team, So obviously whilst having another superstar in the car is out of the question, you would think they would want someone that can finish ahead of Force Indias.
I don't see how constantly criticising Hamilton is going to help him, regardless of how justified it is - it seems more an unhealthy fixation and convenient distraction from the real reason for his poor results; that he is just not fast enough either in qualifying or the race.
That Domenicali shrugged today's incident off entirely, rather than supporting Massa was quite amusing.
I think he's quickly eroding the memory of Massa; the talented, likeable guy who held his own against Schumacher and nearly won a WDC, and is now Massa; the moaning mid-field malcontent. It probably isn't doing his future employment prospects any good either.
Massa seems to not like racing, so why the F is he a racing driver? He would rather everyone carefully follow each other around the track for two hours
.I think I dislike Massa more than any other F1 driver this season due to his driving and attitude, which have been equally dreadful imo.
I must have watched the Hamilton/ Massa on track collision a dozen times on replay and can't fathom how anyone could make it into what it became. Either with the stewards or Massa and his post race antics. I've typed and deleted probably a hundred words about it and realised that in regards to Massa, this sums it up in a nutshell.
The only thing I can add is that I feel Massa isn't actually in denial about the situation he is in. He simply isn't aware of it.
Pw's post.... nail and head.
metalsteve said:
Tony 1234 said:
Ferrari should give the drive to paul di resta, what a driver
Agreed, Diresta is an excelent driver but i think we'll see him in a Mercedes before too long, hopefully replacing Schumacher. I think Perez is already being lined up to replace Massa at Ferrari, with any luck he'll be quicker than Alonso.
I can see Massa ending up in a midfield Team, Williams or sauber most likely.
No matter what he does he will always be second to Alonso, how do you stay motivated in that atmosphere? I'd be surprised if any of the young drivers would want his seat, spending an entire season not being allowed to beat your team-mate won't do their reputation much good. A swap with someone like Sutil would be more likely imo.
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