what is Tevez's game?

what is Tevez's game?

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tonym911

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Wednesday 28th September 2011
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Now I know he's a good player and that but surely refusing to play is breach of contract and grounds for instant dismissal? And leading on from that, shouldn't every footballer's contract have a clause in it which prevents them from playing for ANY team for (say) a year after such an incident, so that other teams can't benefit from their unexpected availability and the player has time to contemplate his folly? And then at the end of the one-year 'cooling off' period the whole of the transfer fee for their next move goes to charity?

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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I don't see how something written in a contract would still apply if that contract is terminated.

tonym911

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Not really. When big business folk leave companies they are often proscribed from working for the opposition for a fixed period of time.

Melvin Udall

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Wednesday 28th September 2011
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tonym911 said:
Not really. When big business folk leave companies they are often proscribed from working for the opposition for a fixed period of time.
Is that a settlement leave, or a termination?

tonym911

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Melvin Udall said:
Is that a settlement leave, or a termination?
Dunno tbh, I'm not a contracts expert on any level, just a sports fan slack-jawed in amazement at the effrontery of players. smile

lazyitus

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267 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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The bloke is a spoilt tit. He was for us at United and now for City.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headline...


tonym911

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'footballologist' biggrin

Victor McDade

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Wednesday 28th September 2011
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tonym911 said:
Now I know he's a good player and that but surely refusing to play is breach of contract and grounds for instant dismissal? And leading on from that, shouldn't every footballer's contract have a clause in it which prevents them from playing for ANY team for (say) a year after such an incident, so that other teams can't benefit from their unexpected availability and the player has time to contemplate his folly? And then at the end of the one-year 'cooling off' period the whole of the transfer fee for their next move goes to charity?
Tevez is a very valuable asset though. Instant dismissal would save 10-12 million/year in wages but you'd lose out on his £30+ million price tag.

tonym911

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Victor McDade said:
Tevez is a very valuable asset though. Instant dismissal would save 10-12 million/year in wages but you'd lose out on his £30+ million price tag.
But wouldn't Man City be able to sue for some/all of that on grounds of unfulfilled contract or whatever? As you can see I'm not in the legal business.

Victor McDade

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Wednesday 28th September 2011
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tonym911 said:
But wouldn't Man City be able to sue for some/all of that on grounds of unfulfilled contract or whatever? As you can see I'm not in the legal business.
Adrian Mutu signed for Chelsea in 2003 for £16m. A year later he failed a drug test and was banned for 7 months. Chelsea sacked him for being in breach of his contract. In 2005 Chelsea sued the player for the £16 million transfer fee. They initially won and the judgement was granted in their favour however the legal case still isn't completed and the player has appealed to the European Court of Human Rights where it's waiting to be heard.

Incidentally Mutu has had a good career playing in Italy since, earning tens of millions on way. Oh and he failed yet another drug test, was banned, was sacked, publicly apologised, then re-instated.

By the time the European Court makes it's decision, Mutu will be retired and his money hidden away somewhere. Then he'll go down the Maradona bankruptcy route.

It appears all the power is with the player these days - clubs can't do a lot.

Justices

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165 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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I don't care how much talent he has, and he has a lot, Tevez is a digrace to sport and his "manager" is a joke. They will better-deal any team they sign with if they think they can get one more penny from the next club. Absolutely no loyalty to the people and clubs that make them very wealthy. At the end of the day, he is just a footballer and needs to, at the very least, have the decency to respect those that put a lot on the line to employ him and deal with his management.

It will be interesting to see what happens next because prospective teams will be very wary of doing any business with them after witnessing just how they continue to operate. I am 99% sure his "manager" puts a lot of nonsense into his head, filling it with illusions of grandeur and just says "trust me on this one, go along with it". Tevez is either an idiot or just completely unprofessional and extremely selfish. If he gets dropped and doesn't get signed by another team or doesn't get his insane wage demands (highly unlikely I know) it will be just deserts.

Antony Moxey

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220 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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With the money Man City have at their disposal, I'd quite like to see them force Tevez to see out the remainder of his contract - I think he still has three years to go - whilst he languishes in the reserves. Make him train with the youth teams too, away from the first team. If he tries to take legal action to get his contract terminated, I'd like to see MC's legal team tie him up in red tape that'd take, ooh, at least three years to conclude.

He doesn't want to play for MC? How about he doesn't then, nor anyone else for that matter. I'm sure MC could comfortably take the hit in the wallet.

Wacky Racer

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UpTheIron

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Wednesday 28th September 2011
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Antony Moxey said:
He doesn't want to play for MC? How about he doesn't then, nor anyone else for that matter. I'm sure MC could comfortably take the hit in the wallet.
This. But it will take more than one club to redress the balance.

tonym911

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Thursday 29th September 2011
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What hasn't come out yet is exactly WHY Tevez chose not to play? Did he feel the game was a lost cause that he didn't want to be associated with? Was he simply trying to punish Mancini for not picking him automatically for every game? Or is he revolting against high-profile clubs having more star players than they need (which restricts an individual player's on-field exposure and effectively reduces their transfer value)? Dzeko didn't seem massively happy at being subbed to make way for Tevez. Are the players getting together to make a stand?

tonym911

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Thursday 29th September 2011
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Team mate Zabaleta yesterday: 'All players have different characters and sometimes the decision is going to be very difficult for everybody because we have too many players.'

Antony Moxey

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Thursday 29th September 2011
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Of course, if they can see over the top of the stack of money lobbed in front of them, you'd think a player might take into account both his chances of securing first team football as well as the quality and size of the squad already there before he signs.

Beardy10

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176 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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It seems pretty simple to me...Tevez wants to leave and is trying to force it through. My guess is he already knows where he is going. "Hi Carlos it's Jose......if you can force City to sell you for £20mil we'll match your current wages in sunny Madrid"

Unfortunately because of his salary he is priced out of the market as no one can compete with the salary and pay the transfer fee City are quite fairly asking for him.

The likey solution will be that City will be forced to sell him for a reduced price to get rid of him in January.

The legal situation is a mess...City legally have to do the right thing by Mancini and Tevez. Given Tevez's pay packet the £1mil to be spent retaining a top end QC and law firm will be money he is probably spending right now. I think there's a limit as to what City can do.

I reckon Mancini will be gone at the end of the season too....he quite clearly has issues with some of the players. Both in the current squad and the likes of Bellamy and Adebayor that have left....why they keep buying players that have these kind of behavioural issues is another issue.

Edited by Beardy10 on Thursday 29th September 15:44

tonym911

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Friday 30th September 2011
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I see Dzeko has now apologised for his tetchiness at being subbed, which scotches the player revolt theory. Scholes has more or less confirmed that Dzeko's and Tevez's behaviour is down to nothing more than childish petulance. Feeble.

Off my own topic a bit, why can't football refs let play continue (with a physio on) when players are down 'injured', as in rugby?

Beardy10

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Friday 30th September 2011
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tonym911 said:
Off my own topic a bit, why can't football refs let play continue (with a physio on) when players are down 'injured', as in rugby?
There are plenty of things football could learn from Rugby....respect for referee's, TV replay's etc etc

Given that the IRB is hardly the most enlightened of organisations it shows how poor UEFA and FIFA are