Anyone been to Greece lately

[sussexjob]

Is this the case ? and if it is surely you would want to leave Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/g...

[s3fella]

Hasn't pretty much always been a bit of a mess over there?

[Bing o]

If you are capable of reading the article, no.

[evenflow]

I went to Rhodes a few weeks ago. You would not have known there was any problem at all. The people were as kind and accommodating as ever.

[Dunclane]

My parents live in Koroni, they hardly notice any recession. All the money is kept under the mattresses in the villages. They are totally seperate from Athens!

[otherman]

Dunclane said:

My parents live in Koroni, they hardly notice any recession. All the money is kept under the mattresses in the villages. They are totally seperate from Athens!

Absolutely. On the islands they regard Athens as a foreign country.

[Chainguy]

Interesting comment in there about how the immigrants all use it as a stepping stone as they want to get to one of three places, the UK and it's welfare state being one.

Ah, my life, so enriched by mass immigration from other cultures that have pretty much zero in common with my own.

Anyways, must sign off, I need to go to work to pay that 40%+ tax I get so much back for.

[crankedup]

The unravelling of the Capitalist Society, its going to be messy as the working class realise that they have been led up the garden (Capitalist)path with the promise of untold wealth at the end of it. Bring back another Karl Marx and it couldn't get any worse!

[turbobloke]

What's unravelling is the dreamworld in which EU politicians have been living.

[pipe'n'slippers]

I was on Paxos a couple of weeks ago. No real problems or indication that there were any concerns, other than several restaurants claimed they couldn't take credit cards. They said there were technical problems but I speculated that they would rather have cash in their hands than a credit in their bank account

[remedy]

I was in Crete at the beginning of September and it was as perfect as it was the year before.

I was chatting to the Cretan who ran the bar and he was only talking about how the greeks hate the germans with a passion purely because they feel so indebted to them. The situation is clearly difficult to stomach for a proud country with such rich history.

[davepoth]

In the cities this will be a disaster. Out in the rural areas, where people all grow stuff, they just don't have as much need for money (bartering for a lot of things) so it doesn't impact so much.

[ellroy]

remedy said:

how the germans hate the greeks with a passion purely because they are so in debt.

Funnily enough it can work the other way.

I have a huge amount of sympathy for the German tax payer bailing out the lazy and feckless.

[remedy]

ellroy said:

Funnily enough it can work the other way.

I have a huge amount of sympathy for the German tax payer bailing out the lazy and feckless.

I wholeheartedly agree!

[hornetrider]

sussexjob said:

Is this the case ? and if it is surely you would want to leave Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/g...

Reads like a Johann Hari article. I've seen loads of old Greek women begging, it's nothing new.

[remedy]

hornetrider said:

Reads like a Johann Hari article. I've seen loads of old Greek women begging, it's nothing new.

And the statement about how whilst the guy he found on his doorstep may have been drunk it was highly likely he was high on crack.
Yeah, of course, and it was also highly probable that he had 3 Glocks hidden about his person and was only faking being passed out so he could break into his house and rob him.

[JagLover]

crankedup said:

The unravelling of the Capitalist Society, its going to be messy as the working class realise that they have been led up the garden (Capitalist)path with the promise of untold wealth at the end of it. Bring back another Karl Marx and it couldn't get any worse!

Nothing new about the populace being shafted by a fixed exchange rate system. It happened in the 1930s with the gold standard and it is happening again, it will end when the euro collapses.

[12gauge]

Nope. And thats probably half the problem. Everyone I know is going to Turkey or another non EURO country because its a lot cheaper. The EURO's strength seems to be killing greek tourism, if my observations are repeated widely.

[NorthernBoy]

crankedup said:

The unravelling of the Capitalist Society, its going to be messy as the working class realise that they have been led up the garden (Capitalist)path with the promise of untold wealth at the end of it. Bring back another Karl Marx and it couldn't get any worse!

The working classes today live a better life than the wealthy did 100 years ago. The promise has been met, and exceeded.

[herewego]

12gauge said:

Nope. And thats probably half the problem. Everyone I know is going to Turkey or another non EURO country because its a lot cheaper. The EURO's strength seems to be killing greek tourism, if my observations are repeated widely.

Maybe I don't read the papers enough, but I haven't seen any politician urging people to buy Greek products or choose Greece as their holiday destination which I would have thought would help a lot.