996 turbo: modifications for increased performance
Discussion
Evening all, after purchasing a 996tt I am looking for performance modifications; what have other peeps tried? The following have been suggested to me and I would be grateful for comments about these and there potential gains. (I have a standard 420bhp tiptronic btw)
1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
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Depends on how much/far you want to go.
If you want to go up to circa 500bhp...then a remap from one of the recommended companies (but will be nearer £1200) to get a good one.
If you want more...add in a new exhaust...but price jumps to £3000+
If you want more....how big is your wallet?
Depends on how much/far you want to go.
If you want to go up to circa 500bhp...then a remap from one of the recommended companies (but will be nearer £1200) to get a good one.
If you want more...add in a new exhaust...but price jumps to £3000+
If you want more....how big is your wallet?
benzito said:
Evening all, after purchasing a 996tt I am looking for performance modifications; what have other peeps tried? The following have been suggested to me and I would be grateful for comments about these and there potential gains. (I have a standard 420bhp tiptronic btw)
1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
visit this site and have a chat with Ken: www.nineexcellence.com1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
I'm pretty experienced in what can be done with a Tip car however you will only have to chat to a tuner in the end. BTW my car is there at the moment and I come from Scotland.
Sunnysidebb said:
benzito said:
Evening all, after purchasing a 996tt I am looking for performance modifications; what have other peeps tried? The following have been suggested to me and I would be grateful for comments about these and there potential gains. (I have a standard 420bhp tiptronic btw)
1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
visit this site and have a chat with Ken: www.nineexcellence.com1. remap/tune - quotes of 60bhp over standard for approx 500 pounds?
2. sports exhaust: i think standard cats are 400cell and certain companies offer 100cell - 20bhp extra? Cost maybe 1500 pounds upwards
3. exhaust manifolds - I've been told this could be very useful, possibly 35bhp over standard? maybe 500 pounds including fitting.
4. Bigger turbo's? and gains of 30bhp. As I understand the x50 and gt2 ones are K24's. Not sure how much this change would cost and whether its worth doing.
Any other suggestions welcome!
I'm pretty experienced in what can be done with a Tip car however you will only have to chat to a tuner in the end. BTW my car is there at the moment and I come from Scotland.
If you're going to do it, do it properly is my advice.
Mine had a Manthey re-map by JZM and Europipe exhaust. The torque impovement was the most astonishing aspect of the mods. THe car was mentally fast, but very stable. Even after several years it was still on the original clutch. And surprisingly, if the computer was to be believed, it had better economy than stock cars (about 26mpg on avg... and i never drove that thing slowly...). Cant remember exact cost, but total was about £6k i think. Was probably faster than an early manual 997tt. (i wouldnt mind buying it back...!)
HTH
Mine had a Manthey re-map by JZM and Europipe exhaust. The torque impovement was the most astonishing aspect of the mods. THe car was mentally fast, but very stable. Even after several years it was still on the original clutch. And surprisingly, if the computer was to be believed, it had better economy than stock cars (about 26mpg on avg... and i never drove that thing slowly...). Cant remember exact cost, but total was about £6k i think. Was probably faster than an early manual 997tt. (i wouldnt mind buying it back...!)
HTH
zeb said:
On my second 996 turbo and third exhaust. I would rate the europipe over the dansk and milltek ones had before.
thats my opinion based on actual experience of handing over my hard earned for them.
just an opinion buddy, yer pays yer money, yer takes yer pick....
I wouldn't say Dansk (and to a lesser degree Miltek) are recognised as being the best exhausts out there for Turbo/GT2, so your comment "dont even consider any of the others" aren't actually based on your experiences of the others avaialable, it's merely an opinion based on your experiences of three exhausts you have tried. thats my opinion based on actual experience of handing over my hard earned for them.
just an opinion buddy, yer pays yer money, yer takes yer pick....
Contrary to your post, there are plenty of other good exhaust systems out there that you have no knowledge or experience of. That hardly makes them "not worth considering" . . .
But you're right, you pays your money and takes your choice
as my budget is relatively low I think I am going to opt for a custom exhaust, the plan being to obtain 100 cell cats and new manifolds, then I'm hoping my local exhaust specialist will be able to fashion these and replace the silencers with a straight pipe. A few q's,
Has anyone tried a custom exhaust?
I know 200 cell cats are quite common but has anyone tried 100 cell cats and does it cause any malfunctions/lights?
do the sports exhausts mentioned (Milltek, europipe, etc) have silencers or have they been removed?
thanks!
Has anyone tried a custom exhaust?
I know 200 cell cats are quite common but has anyone tried 100 cell cats and does it cause any malfunctions/lights?
do the sports exhausts mentioned (Milltek, europipe, etc) have silencers or have they been removed?
thanks!
benzito said:
as my budget is relatively low I think I am going to opt for a custom exhaust, the plan being to obtain 100 cell cats and new manifolds, then I'm hoping my local exhaust specialist will be able to fashion these and replace the silencers with a straight pipe. A few q's,
Has anyone tried a custom exhaust?
I know 200 cell cats are quite common but has anyone tried 100 cell cats and does it cause any malfunctions/lights?
do the sports exhausts mentioned (Milltek, europipe, etc) have silencers or have they been removed?
thanks!
Speak to Joe at BTB Exhausts first. He has vast knowledge.Has anyone tried a custom exhaust?
I know 200 cell cats are quite common but has anyone tried 100 cell cats and does it cause any malfunctions/lights?
do the sports exhausts mentioned (Milltek, europipe, etc) have silencers or have they been removed?
thanks!
Sunnysidebb said:
I'm sure Kens got a second hand miltek 100 cell for sale. Its the same as I have got. Excellent exhaust with noticeable results.
Frank, what's the volume like and is there any drone? I've now got a Ruf system on mine but find it, not loud enough. I know it's not everyones taste but it's the way I like it. Wonder if Ken still has it for sale.Leigh996tt said:
Sunnysidebb said:
I'm sure Kens got a second hand miltek 100 cell for sale. Its the same as I have got. Excellent exhaust with noticeable results.
Frank, what's the volume like and is there any drone? I've now got a Ruf system on mine but find it, not loud enough. I know it's not everyones taste but it's the way I like it. Wonder if Ken still has it for sale.When brand new there a bit quiet, but after a week or so they soon start to sound much better. I had a look inside mine when new with a scope to see how they were made and could see that there was an area it would seem is deliberately designed to last just a few hours before if disintegrates. Must be to do with EU legislation when selling them.
Once there run in they sound much better but still not intrusive and no drone.
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Saturday 8th October 08:16
Sunnysidebb said:
Hi Leigh,
When brand new there a bit quiet, but after a week or so they soon start to sound much better. I had a look inside mine when new with a scope to see how they were made and could see that there was an area it would seem is deliberately designed to last just a few hours before if disintegrates. Must be to do with EU legislation when selling them.
Once there run in they sound much better but still not intrusive and no drone.
No drone ? Not in my experience !! When brand new there a bit quiet, but after a week or so they soon start to sound much better. I had a look inside mine when new with a scope to see how they were made and could see that there was an area it would seem is deliberately designed to last just a few hours before if disintegrates. Must be to do with EU legislation when selling them.
Once there run in they sound much better but still not intrusive and no drone.
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Saturday 8th October 08:16
Having said that, once mated to uprated manifolds, drone is pretty much eliminated in my car now.
ZeroH said:
Sunnysidebb said:
Hi Leigh,
When brand new there a bit quiet, but after a week or so they soon start to sound much better. I had a look inside mine when new with a scope to see how they were made and could see that there was an area it would seem is deliberately designed to last just a few hours before if disintegrates. Must be to do with EU legislation when selling them.
Once there run in they sound much better but still not intrusive and no drone.
No drone ? Not in my experience !! When brand new there a bit quiet, but after a week or so they soon start to sound much better. I had a look inside mine when new with a scope to see how they were made and could see that there was an area it would seem is deliberately designed to last just a few hours before if disintegrates. Must be to do with EU legislation when selling them.
Once there run in they sound much better but still not intrusive and no drone.
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Saturday 8th October 08:16
Having said that, once mated to uprated manifolds, drone is pretty much eliminated in my car now.
either way I dont get any drone on my car. Perhaps Tips are different, but I cant see it.I would prefer just a little bit more noise tbh but at least , unlike my last Cosworth, I dont set all the car alarms off when I drive past them.
Sunnysidebb said:
You have either had a Bad experience or I have had a good experience either way I dont get any drone on my car. Perhaps Tips are different, but I cant see it.
I would prefer just a little bit more noise tbh but at least , unlike my last Cosworth, I dont set all the car alarms off when I drive past them.
Maybe you just got a good one.... i've been in 4 different turbos with this exhaust and they all droned ! The other thing is that some ears are more atuned to it than others. either way I dont get any drone on my car. Perhaps Tips are different, but I cant see it.I would prefer just a little bit more noise tbh but at least , unlike my last Cosworth, I dont set all the car alarms off when I drive past them.
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