Old Car for sale with less miles than when Sold
Old Car for sale with less miles than when Sold
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kiethton

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14,453 posts

201 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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Interesting one this....

Part ex-ed the old Jag S-Type against a 318d last month at a BMW main dealer. The Jag had been sitting there for the past month whilst the old registration plate was taken off but it has all been sorted now and we have had the certificate through the post. Browsing through the website of a very large car auction group I notice what I am 99% sure is our old car for sale (shared between my dad and myself) although with 20k less miles on the clock.

As it has a new registration i can't be 100% although it seems a little odd that marks that were present on ours (missing headlight washer cover, broken ashtray permanently open and white golf club sticker in front windscreen) look to be on this one, a car of the same age, same colour, same interior, same spec, same engine etc.

I have tried to phone the auction centre but due to the day there was nobody to answer....

I don't know if i can link to the car due to naming and shaming but it is being sold on the 12th at an auction centre in the South, that car had some issues when we sold it and when combined with what looks to be clocking I don't want somebody to get a pup!

kentmotorcompany

2,471 posts

231 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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The only wayto 100% sure is to know the new registration since your plate was taken off.

Is the Vendor at the auction the same one you Part Exchanged it with?


kiethton

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14,453 posts

201 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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The new registration no. isn't known.

The dealer group for which its listed isn't the same unless they are corporately linked. The auction centre is one of the three that are closest to where the car was sold.

skyline501

215 posts

207 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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A good percentage of used cars have had a haircut at some stage. I sold a 68k mile car to a dealer.
18 months later a chap tipped up at the house to ask me a few questions about engine mods. He bought it from someone who'd bought it from the dealer. I told him about the work I'd had done and looked over the car with him. It had only 64k on the clock. It was his pride and joy so I couldn't bring myself to p1ss on his parade.

soad

34,268 posts

197 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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How do dealers get away with it? All too easy? Silly question perhaps

RWD cossie wil

4,379 posts

194 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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soad said:
How do dealers get away with it? All too easy? Silly question perhaps
Zero punishment or enforcement.

DanielC4GP

2,792 posts

172 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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Would the auctioneer be bothered even if you did contact them? I'm not trying to be sarcastic and funny I'm just genuinely curious to know and if someone knows the answer.

I know when I went looking for a car at the auction it had a tag with a little info on it and one of the categories was if the mileage was confirmed or not.

So I'm guessing they're not bothered about selling cars that have been clocked, after all everyone who buys a car at an auction knows it's bought as seen.

kiethton

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14,453 posts

201 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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To be fair it does say on that listing mileage not warranted. Only thing is that they only seem to have shaved 20k or so, we were the first owners and gave all the history, surely this would add more value than a 20k haircut?

m444ttb

3,175 posts

250 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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I sold a 205 GTi in 2005 that had done 145k. Peugeot had replaces the clocks at c100k, which was all in the service history. The car was very tidy for its age / mileage as it was resold for significantly more as a 45k car! Presumably with no service history or the buyer was very silly! So if anyone has a red 1.6 GTi with the reg H191 SYC bad luck!

rallycross

13,674 posts

258 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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PRobably a different car if you dont recognise the reg number, it goes back to the number plate it had before you put the plate on it, you must have an idea of what the number was originally?

If not sure do an hpi check and it will list its current and any previous plates.

kiethton

Original Poster:

14,453 posts

201 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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rallycross said:
PRobably a different car if you dont recognise the reg number, it goes back to the number plate it had before you put the plate on it, you must have an idea of what the number was originally?

If not sure do an hpi check and it will list its current and any previous plates.
It was registered from new to the plate

Plug550

1,106 posts

236 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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It would be usual practice for you to get the new V5 back with the replacement number as it was originally in your name, and then for you to forward it on to the dealer minus the yellow bit, otherwise there is another needless name on the V5. I'd be interested to learn how your dealer has gone about this particular transfer.

Edited by Plug550 on Sunday 9th October 20:26

Deluded

4,968 posts

212 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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I suspect that this is why so many second hand cars have had there service history "misplaced".

Plug550

1,106 posts

236 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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I also note that you're also quite happy to unload a car 'with issues' to a dealer, but are concerned that they might be passing it off to someone else! Jeez... rolleyes

Don't get me wrong, if what you say is true, then they should be strung up by the short and curlies, name and shamed, the full works. But I can't see a BMW dealer getting to vexed by your old S Type.

Just another dealer bashing thread.

caziques

2,794 posts

189 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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Every car with a private plate also has an original plate issued to it (even if the private plate is on from new).

The original plate never changes and will be reallocated if a private plate is removed.

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

225 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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caziques said:
Every car with a private plate also has an original plate issued to it (even if the private plate is on from new).

The original plate never changes and will be reallocated if a private plate is removed.
didn't know that I always thought you just got an unused reg from a pool of the same year?

p.s. if its the same car and its not a print/honest mistake i.e. ODO still gives correct milage than report to trading std's

kiethton

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14,453 posts

201 months

Sunday 9th October 2011
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Plug550 said:
I also note that you're also quite happy to unload a car 'with issues' to a dealer, but are concerned that they might be passing it off to someone else! Jeez... rolleyes

Don't get me wrong, if what you say is true, then they should be strung up by the short and curlies, name and shamed, the full works. But I can't see a BMW dealer getting to vexed by your old S Type.

Just another dealer bashing thread.
Not at all they were 100, i even got my car from them....the issues weren't that major, gearbox judder which threw an error and meant that the car had to be turned off an on for the gearbox to work properly and possible faulty climate unit - temp gauge always under-reading by up to 15 degrees and thus not really working, it drove spot on but an increase to 40k miles a year made a case for selling it.

The car was registered on a private XX04XXX plate (model year) - Dealer arranged the swap of plate in its entirety on our behalf.

kiethton

Original Poster:

14,453 posts

201 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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A little update, the new V5 came through this morning and it is the the registration of the listed car, looks like it has been clocked!

rfn

4,600 posts

228 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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It could just be a simple input mistake...?

stevensdrs

3,259 posts

221 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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The Auction house will be selling the car as mileage not warranted. This is common practice and so buyers must take this into account when bidding.