Ferrari Newbie, F360 spyder questions.
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Hi chaps,
I've never posted in this section before (well not as an OP anyway).
I'm thinking of buying a 360 spyder and would like a little bit of info please.
The car in question has been owned by a mate for 4 years. It is a 2001 silver/blue hood, manual, 27,800 miles, cambelt service last year, 4 new tyres not yet fitted and he's busy doing the clutch himself! Not what I would do but hey..
I know this has been done to death but, I've used the search and can't find in depth answers..
1) I've read comments about detonation, top-end rebuilds and spun crankshaft bearings. How common are these and how much am I looking at if they occur. I'm guessing £7-£10K for an engine rebuild by a good indy? Engine failures can't be anything like as common as Boxter or 996 engine failures can they, as I've never even read of one on here?
2) The car is pretty mint but the door seal at cill is worn where you get in and out and the switches appear a bit worn (to be honest they look crap). Does this sound par for the course at 28K miles? Rest of interior is very good, seats, dash, carpets, although the latter look a bit dated in dark blue.
3) I've read up about balljoints and things and they seem to be classed as regular replacement items, how much are these per corner.
4) The car will be a sunny day car only but I want to use it quite regularly for work in the summer. My commute is only 6 miles each way though and given that the first 20 mins of a journey is engine wear, would it be unwise to use the car in this manner?
That's it anyway. Thanks in advance for any insight into how good or bad these cars are to live with. I don't mind spending on running costs but I wouldn't be keen on spending £5000 per year or anything like that. The odd year though that would be acceptable.
If I don't buy the car mentioned I simply won't bother as I can't be bothered to start trailing around looking at dogs I don't know.
One other thing, this car changed hands every year for the first 4 years of its life. The last owner (before my mate) owned it 2004-2008 and my mate has owned it since. Anything alarming there?
I will obviously have a Pre-purchase inspection carried out, even though I know the car.
Thanks again, Mark.
I've never posted in this section before (well not as an OP anyway).
I'm thinking of buying a 360 spyder and would like a little bit of info please.
The car in question has been owned by a mate for 4 years. It is a 2001 silver/blue hood, manual, 27,800 miles, cambelt service last year, 4 new tyres not yet fitted and he's busy doing the clutch himself! Not what I would do but hey..
I know this has been done to death but, I've used the search and can't find in depth answers..
1) I've read comments about detonation, top-end rebuilds and spun crankshaft bearings. How common are these and how much am I looking at if they occur. I'm guessing £7-£10K for an engine rebuild by a good indy? Engine failures can't be anything like as common as Boxter or 996 engine failures can they, as I've never even read of one on here?
2) The car is pretty mint but the door seal at cill is worn where you get in and out and the switches appear a bit worn (to be honest they look crap). Does this sound par for the course at 28K miles? Rest of interior is very good, seats, dash, carpets, although the latter look a bit dated in dark blue.
3) I've read up about balljoints and things and they seem to be classed as regular replacement items, how much are these per corner.
4) The car will be a sunny day car only but I want to use it quite regularly for work in the summer. My commute is only 6 miles each way though and given that the first 20 mins of a journey is engine wear, would it be unwise to use the car in this manner?
That's it anyway. Thanks in advance for any insight into how good or bad these cars are to live with. I don't mind spending on running costs but I wouldn't be keen on spending £5000 per year or anything like that. The odd year though that would be acceptable.
If I don't buy the car mentioned I simply won't bother as I can't be bothered to start trailing around looking at dogs I don't know.
One other thing, this car changed hands every year for the first 4 years of its life. The last owner (before my mate) owned it 2004-2008 and my mate has owned it since. Anything alarming there?
I will obviously have a Pre-purchase inspection carried out, even though I know the car.
Thanks again, Mark.
Hi Marky. It sounds like a nice car with low miles. I have a 360 Modena and can help with some of your questions.
1) I've read comments about detonation, top-end rebuilds and spun crankshaft bearings. How common are these and how much am I looking at if they occur. I'm guessing £7-£10K for an engine rebuild by a good indy? Engine failures can't be anything like as common as Boxter or 996 engine failures can they, as I've never even read of one on here?
The thing that can go is the Variators. These should be replaced each time the cambelt is changed and I'm told there is a re-designed component that should stop these failing. I've not heard of detonation or spun crankshaft bearings. As long as you service these cars regularly and let them warm up for a good 10 minutes before pushing it then you should be okay. Wait until the oil guage registers fully warm before giving it the beans basically.
2) The car is pretty mint but the door seal at cill is worn where you get in and out and the switches appear a bit worn (to be honest they look crap). Does this sound par for the course at 28K miles? Rest of interior is very good, seats, dash, carpets, although the latter look a bit dated in dark blue.
Door seals can be expensive. Check the high-end breakers to see if there is one in good condition as new ones are around £300 if I recall. I have dark blue leather in mine with silver stitching. I had it professionally treated this summer and it makes a huge difference. The switches are a known tatty area in these cars. You can take the window switches apart and scrape off the horrible plastic coating which improves the looks, or there is a guy (www.stickynomore.com) who will strip all the components that have this horrible coating on and make the whole interior look much better.
3) I've read up about balljoints and things and they seem to be classed as regular replacement items, how much are these per corner.
This is a known weak point on these cars. Get and noisy ones replaced by the Hill Engineering ones. The Ferrari ones are just coated stainless steel whereas the Hill ones are proper stainless steel. These are £115 each and there are 2 on each corner.
4) The car will be a sunny day car only but I want to use it quite regularly for work in the summer. My commute is only 6 miles each way though and given that the first 20 mins of a journey is engine wear, would it be unwise to use the car in this manner?
I would take a slightly longer route to work in order to get the engine up to temperature. As I mentioned in point 1, it takes a good 10 minutes before the engine reaches operating temperature and I think it will just be there by the time you get to work.
Let me know if I can offer any more help.
By the way, if your mate is changing the clutch, make sure he replaces the Rear Main Seal. I had a new clutch on mine when I bought it and they didn't bother to replace this which caused serious oil contamination on the friction plate in less than 1,000 miles. I had to fit another clutch and it took me 9 months to get the money from the dealer who sold me the car after going through Small Claims.
1) I've read comments about detonation, top-end rebuilds and spun crankshaft bearings. How common are these and how much am I looking at if they occur. I'm guessing £7-£10K for an engine rebuild by a good indy? Engine failures can't be anything like as common as Boxter or 996 engine failures can they, as I've never even read of one on here?
The thing that can go is the Variators. These should be replaced each time the cambelt is changed and I'm told there is a re-designed component that should stop these failing. I've not heard of detonation or spun crankshaft bearings. As long as you service these cars regularly and let them warm up for a good 10 minutes before pushing it then you should be okay. Wait until the oil guage registers fully warm before giving it the beans basically.
2) The car is pretty mint but the door seal at cill is worn where you get in and out and the switches appear a bit worn (to be honest they look crap). Does this sound par for the course at 28K miles? Rest of interior is very good, seats, dash, carpets, although the latter look a bit dated in dark blue.
Door seals can be expensive. Check the high-end breakers to see if there is one in good condition as new ones are around £300 if I recall. I have dark blue leather in mine with silver stitching. I had it professionally treated this summer and it makes a huge difference. The switches are a known tatty area in these cars. You can take the window switches apart and scrape off the horrible plastic coating which improves the looks, or there is a guy (www.stickynomore.com) who will strip all the components that have this horrible coating on and make the whole interior look much better.
3) I've read up about balljoints and things and they seem to be classed as regular replacement items, how much are these per corner.
This is a known weak point on these cars. Get and noisy ones replaced by the Hill Engineering ones. The Ferrari ones are just coated stainless steel whereas the Hill ones are proper stainless steel. These are £115 each and there are 2 on each corner.
4) The car will be a sunny day car only but I want to use it quite regularly for work in the summer. My commute is only 6 miles each way though and given that the first 20 mins of a journey is engine wear, would it be unwise to use the car in this manner?
I would take a slightly longer route to work in order to get the engine up to temperature. As I mentioned in point 1, it takes a good 10 minutes before the engine reaches operating temperature and I think it will just be there by the time you get to work.
Let me know if I can offer any more help.
By the way, if your mate is changing the clutch, make sure he replaces the Rear Main Seal. I had a new clutch on mine when I bought it and they didn't bother to replace this which caused serious oil contamination on the friction plate in less than 1,000 miles. I had to fit another clutch and it took me 9 months to get the money from the dealer who sold me the car after going through Small Claims.
Edited by sidned on Sunday 9th October 17:13
Hi, thanks for that.
Doesn't sound too scary a proposition then, very good.
I'll ask about those variators. The belts and service were done at a specialist so I'd hope they know about them but, I'll definitely double check.
I always warm my cars up fully before giving them any stick. Even then my cars have an easy life really.
The door seal isn't split or anything, it just has a varying degree of texture along it where shoes have obviously rubbed it. I can live with it though, if I know it's the norm.
You're right about those switches though, bloody horrible.
Those susp. arm prices don't sound too bad at all.
Taking a detour will be know bad thing to let the engine heat up. I live right on the Northumberland coast so I'll just go a bit further up the seafront before I cut in.
With regards to the Rear mainseal, when I was up at my mates yesterday, poking around the car and giving him a hand, he pulled out a small box containing allsorts of O rings and seals etc, so I'm guessing that was in there. He's a "while I'm in there.." sort of lad, so will do it properly.
Thanks very much for the help and yes I'll get back on here if I have anymore queries. I was planning on sorting some niggles on the 964T over the winter, then selling it in the spring, so I doubt I'll be posting any pics until then but, I will be sure to, once I've got it.
The joy of it is, my friend says he won't be advertising it or actively selling it. It's simply a case of "If I want it, it's mine. If not, no problem." It's fair to say though I WANT IT!
Cheers.
ETA- Any other good sites for these cars? I'm a Porsche lad uptil now so...
Doesn't sound too scary a proposition then, very good.
I'll ask about those variators. The belts and service were done at a specialist so I'd hope they know about them but, I'll definitely double check.
I always warm my cars up fully before giving them any stick. Even then my cars have an easy life really.
The door seal isn't split or anything, it just has a varying degree of texture along it where shoes have obviously rubbed it. I can live with it though, if I know it's the norm.
You're right about those switches though, bloody horrible.
Those susp. arm prices don't sound too bad at all.
Taking a detour will be know bad thing to let the engine heat up. I live right on the Northumberland coast so I'll just go a bit further up the seafront before I cut in.
With regards to the Rear mainseal, when I was up at my mates yesterday, poking around the car and giving him a hand, he pulled out a small box containing allsorts of O rings and seals etc, so I'm guessing that was in there. He's a "while I'm in there.." sort of lad, so will do it properly.
Thanks very much for the help and yes I'll get back on here if I have anymore queries. I was planning on sorting some niggles on the 964T over the winter, then selling it in the spring, so I doubt I'll be posting any pics until then but, I will be sure to, once I've got it.
The joy of it is, my friend says he won't be advertising it or actively selling it. It's simply a case of "If I want it, it's mine. If not, no problem." It's fair to say though I WANT IT!
Cheers.
ETA- Any other good sites for these cars? I'm a Porsche lad uptil now so...
Hi, thanks for the link. Very interesting reading.
I'm quite a trek from you. Are there any good mobile pre purchase inspectors out there that have the equipment to access all the mileage info on the car or are these computers garage equipment only?
My friend has been honest when I asked him if the roof let's in water when it rains and he says he does get the odd drip. Is this to be expected?
I'm quite a trek from you. Are there any good mobile pre purchase inspectors out there that have the equipment to access all the mileage info on the car or are these computers garage equipment only?
My friend has been honest when I asked him if the roof let's in water when it rains and he says he does get the odd drip. Is this to be expected?
360 Spider's don't leak, so a little more info would be helpful. Most inspectors travel pretty much nationwide, different inspectors have different skills, some more mechanical, some more cosmetic, you can get an SD2 report anywhere, the inspectors role is to try any forsee future costs and find evidence of previous accident damage - this will help you make an informed decision of where the car sits in the market against similar age, mileage and condition.
T.
T.
FerrariV8 said:
360 Spider's don't leak
Hmm. That one sentence has just put me off, a lot! My friend said something like near the tweeters I think (don't know if they're in the A pillars or something? as that is where he was pointing. Where the roof joins above the windscreen frame, if that makes sense) , but I could be totally wrong. I'll get back onto him. He just said if it was heavy rain you would get a drip.
I don't fancy trying to sort a leak as they're a bugger to cure aren't they?
My other mate had a nearly new 430 spider before his Scuderia and I'm sure that would let a drip in too. I'll have to check.
If it's not the norm for these cars then I may just leave it. I'll see...
If it just a minor leak and, you have said that it will be a "sunny day" car, then I wouldn't let it put you off an otherwise good car :-)
And if you need an inspection, as an unbiased comment I have never heard a bad comment about ^^^^ Tim at Walkersport. Good luck if you go for it. Ferraris are a whole different kettle of fish to Porsches. With Ferrari it is not just about the engineering, it's all the heritage and history and passion that lies behind the marque.
And if you need an inspection, as an unbiased comment I have never heard a bad comment about ^^^^ Tim at Walkersport. Good luck if you go for it. Ferraris are a whole different kettle of fish to Porsches. With Ferrari it is not just about the engineering, it's all the heritage and history and passion that lies behind the marque.
Hi marky. Good choice of car. 
I've not noticed the hood leaking on mine. TBH I'd be a bit concerned if it did. The only time I've had water ingress was when using the screen washer with the hood down - for some reason this is the first convertible I've driven where the aerodynamics throw the water around the A pillar and down the drivers window
The interior on mine is very good, I don't have the tattyness on the switches or carpets, but the drivers seat bolster has a lot of wear as does the drivers door bin by the speaker (where your foot will scrape when you get out if you are not careful). Also the placcy screws that locate the drivers mat are loose which means the mat can ruck up and foul the throttle pedal area so thats one to watch out for.
It does squeak and rattle a bit as any convertible does but the scuttle shake isn't too bad. But any groans/graunches and walk way.
Also if the clutch is being done make sure all the belts are done at the same time.
Oh, and there's no "y" in Spider
I've not noticed the hood leaking on mine. TBH I'd be a bit concerned if it did. The only time I've had water ingress was when using the screen washer with the hood down - for some reason this is the first convertible I've driven where the aerodynamics throw the water around the A pillar and down the drivers window
The interior on mine is very good, I don't have the tattyness on the switches or carpets, but the drivers seat bolster has a lot of wear as does the drivers door bin by the speaker (where your foot will scrape when you get out if you are not careful). Also the placcy screws that locate the drivers mat are loose which means the mat can ruck up and foul the throttle pedal area so thats one to watch out for.
It does squeak and rattle a bit as any convertible does but the scuttle shake isn't too bad. But any groans/graunches and walk way.
Also if the clutch is being done make sure all the belts are done at the same time.
Oh, and there's no "y" in Spider
Hi Marky,
One of the best sites is http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk. You can also try http://www.ferrarichat.com which is mostly USA guys but loads of Ferrari guys from the UK hang out there.
The leak you mention sounds like the same thing that has happened to mine, and mines a Modena! It is down to the windows dropping at the front which menas when the rear of the window reaches the top it stops leaving a small gap where the tweeter housing sits. There is a thread on the ClubScuderia site that shows you how to adjust it. I'm getting mine done when she goes in for a little bit of paint this Winter. I'll let you know how it goes. Here is the thread: http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php...
One of the best sites is http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk. You can also try http://www.ferrarichat.com which is mostly USA guys but loads of Ferrari guys from the UK hang out there.
The leak you mention sounds like the same thing that has happened to mine, and mines a Modena! It is down to the windows dropping at the front which menas when the rear of the window reaches the top it stops leaving a small gap where the tweeter housing sits. There is a thread on the ClubScuderia site that shows you how to adjust it. I'm getting mine done when she goes in for a little bit of paint this Winter. I'll let you know how it goes. Here is the thread: http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php...
Evening chaps! Thanks for the replies.
It will be summer use but that will include Lemans in June and also some Scotland and Lake District tours with the girlfriend.
I haven't ruled it out yet though. As I say, if I don't buy this one I simply wont bother. I do really want one but not enough to trail all over the country looking. I need to get out in it once the clutch is done and see how I find it. I've been passanger plenty of times but that's no indication as to if it's as good as it looks.
I totally agree about that Ferrari specialness. They are in a different league for looks, sound and flair compared to 911s (well the 911s I can afford ). Some of the best memories I have are of road trips to Lemans etc. Flying through France in a big group and winding the window down as the Ferraris flew past. The noise was spine-tingling. Awesome!
Walkersport seem very good. Very informative website! I'm up North though so will probably have to enlist the services of a mobile inspector.
Just once Tim (Walkersport) said they shouldn't leak, then that's that to a certain extent. He knows more then most I'm guessing and it just sews that seed of "Is the car as good as it looks if good ones don't leak?"
Not giving up yet though.
I'm the most unfussy car buyer ever to be honest. I always go in with the attitude that it's a used car and will have been enjoyed but, I need to know that a car is a good straight solid base, beneath any niggles, as once I own it, that's when I get fussy! It's too late then though if the car's a dog. I genuinely don't believe my mates is (a dog) though. It's caused him no bother at all. The clutch obviously, which is right on the money at 28K miles and one breakdown due to some small black box on the side of the gearbox. They perish then burst peeing out all of the oil.
What is that Ginos car you mention, a Ferrari? I'm guessing it's a funny spec? Anyway, good luck with the search...
Re the interior, yes thats the least impressive aspect of the car for me. My mates seats are mint with minimal wear anywhere. He has got some treatment/colour though but they don't need it yet. With his being silver he has had a lot of the grainy silver trim done body colour. Looks so much nicer. This includes centre console, door pockets/trims, etc. Just the dashboard (clocks surround) left now.
Carpets are mint, just a dated colour, being dark blue.
By groans and graunches do you mean with the roof or the drivetrain/suspension. He has been honest and said there is a slight bobble from the left hand front of the car. I'm guessing balljoint as he hasn't renewed any yet. The inspection will hopefully list all of this though.
By belts do you mean cambelts? They were done last year and have only done 200 miles since!
I'm still mystified by this 3 year cambelt change though! Unreal. I'll pay it but bloomin' eck!
My main fear with the car is that I get it inspected and the "hidden" mileage data that gets accessed via computer is different to the Mileometer reading. I have no reason to think it will but with me coming from 100K mile 911s, I just cannot get my head around the low mileages on these cars!
Obviously that's the point of an inspection though to let me know to avoid something like that.
Thanks for the info. It's all valueable insight to a Ferrari dunce like me.
PS. I twigged on pretty soon it's spider not spyder but can't change the thread title. Oh, the shame of it all.
burriana said:
If it just a minor leak and, you have said that it will be a "sunny day" car, then I wouldn't let it put you off an otherwise good car :-)
And if you need an inspection, as an unbiased comment I have never heard a bad comment about ^^^^ Tim at Walkersport. Good luck if you go for it. Ferraris are a whole different kettle of fish to Porsches. With Ferrari it is not just about the engineering, it's all the heritage and history and passion that lies behind the marque.
Hi burriana, yep I know what you mean, I knew as I wrote it that it sounds a bit melodramatic ruling out the car for a drip but I prefer faults to be the "bolt old part off, bolt new one on" type. Water leaks on convertibles are a pain though. I was used to it many years ago with XR3i's and Golf GTis but don't know if I could live with it on my good summer car. And if you need an inspection, as an unbiased comment I have never heard a bad comment about ^^^^ Tim at Walkersport. Good luck if you go for it. Ferraris are a whole different kettle of fish to Porsches. With Ferrari it is not just about the engineering, it's all the heritage and history and passion that lies behind the marque.
It will be summer use but that will include Lemans in June and also some Scotland and Lake District tours with the girlfriend.
I haven't ruled it out yet though. As I say, if I don't buy this one I simply wont bother. I do really want one but not enough to trail all over the country looking. I need to get out in it once the clutch is done and see how I find it. I've been passanger plenty of times but that's no indication as to if it's as good as it looks.
I totally agree about that Ferrari specialness. They are in a different league for looks, sound and flair compared to 911s (well the 911s I can afford
). Some of the best memories I have are of road trips to Lemans etc. Flying through France in a big group and winding the window down as the Ferraris flew past. The noise was spine-tingling. Awesome! Walkersport seem very good. Very informative website! I'm up North though so will probably have to enlist the services of a mobile inspector.
cragswinter said:
marky you'd let an occasional drip & a worn door seal put you off? you'll be looking longer than i've been
on an unrelated note i've just been offered gino d'acampo's old car, i think i'll pass
Alright there Craig. As above, I know what you mean, I sound like a big girls blouse don't I! on an unrelated note i've just been offered gino d'acampo's old car, i think i'll pass
Just once Tim (Walkersport) said they shouldn't leak, then that's that to a certain extent. He knows more then most I'm guessing and it just sews that seed of "Is the car as good as it looks if good ones don't leak?"
Not giving up yet though.
I'm the most unfussy car buyer ever to be honest. I always go in with the attitude that it's a used car and will have been enjoyed but, I need to know that a car is a good straight solid base, beneath any niggles, as once I own it, that's when I get fussy! It's too late then though if the car's a dog. I genuinely don't believe my mates is (a dog) though. It's caused him no bother at all. The clutch obviously, which is right on the money at 28K miles and one breakdown due to some small black box on the side of the gearbox. They perish then burst peeing out all of the oil.
What is that Ginos car you mention, a Ferrari? I'm guessing it's a funny spec? Anyway, good luck with the search...
mattdaniels said:
Hi marky. Good choice of car.
I've not noticed the hood leaking on mine. TBH I'd be a bit concerned if it did. The only time I've had water ingress was when using the screen washer with the hood down - for some reason this is the first convertible I've driven where the aerodynamics throw the water around the A pillar and down the drivers window
The interior on mine is very good, I don't have the tattyness on the switches or carpets, but the drivers seat bolster has a lot of wear as does the drivers door bin by the speaker (where your foot will scrape when you get out if you are not careful). Also the placcy screws that locate the drivers mat are loose which means the mat can ruck up and foul the throttle pedal area so thats one to watch out for.
It does squeak and rattle a bit as any convertible does but the scuttle shake isn't too bad. But any groans/graunches and walk way.
Also if the clutch is being done make sure all the belts are done at the same time.
Oh, and there's no "y" in Spider
Hi Matt, your car is my favourite colour on a 360, Tour de France? Stunning!I've not noticed the hood leaking on mine. TBH I'd be a bit concerned if it did. The only time I've had water ingress was when using the screen washer with the hood down - for some reason this is the first convertible I've driven where the aerodynamics throw the water around the A pillar and down the drivers window
The interior on mine is very good, I don't have the tattyness on the switches or carpets, but the drivers seat bolster has a lot of wear as does the drivers door bin by the speaker (where your foot will scrape when you get out if you are not careful). Also the placcy screws that locate the drivers mat are loose which means the mat can ruck up and foul the throttle pedal area so thats one to watch out for.
It does squeak and rattle a bit as any convertible does but the scuttle shake isn't too bad. But any groans/graunches and walk way.
Also if the clutch is being done make sure all the belts are done at the same time.
Oh, and there's no "y" in Spider
Re the interior, yes thats the least impressive aspect of the car for me. My mates seats are mint with minimal wear anywhere. He has got some treatment/colour though but they don't need it yet. With his being silver he has had a lot of the grainy silver trim done body colour. Looks so much nicer. This includes centre console, door pockets/trims, etc. Just the dashboard (clocks surround) left now.
Carpets are mint, just a dated colour, being dark blue.
By groans and graunches do you mean with the roof or the drivetrain/suspension. He has been honest and said there is a slight bobble from the left hand front of the car. I'm guessing balljoint as he hasn't renewed any yet. The inspection will hopefully list all of this though.
By belts do you mean cambelts? They were done last year and have only done 200 miles since!
I'm still mystified by this 3 year cambelt change though! Unreal. I'll pay it but bloomin' eck!
My main fear with the car is that I get it inspected and the "hidden" mileage data that gets accessed via computer is different to the Mileometer reading. I have no reason to think it will but with me coming from 100K mile 911s, I just cannot get my head around the low mileages on these cars!
Obviously that's the point of an inspection though to let me know to avoid something like that.
Thanks for the info. It's all valueable insight to a Ferrari dunce like me.
PS. I twigged on pretty soon it's spider not spyder but can't change the thread title. Oh, the shame of it all.
sidned said:
Hi Marky,
One of the best sites is http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk. You can also try http://www.ferrarichat.com which is mostly USA guys but loads of Ferrari guys from the UK hang out there.
The leak you mention sounds like the same thing that has happened to mine, and mines a Modena! It is down to the windows dropping at the front which menas when the rear of the window reaches the top it stops leaving a small gap where the tweeter housing sits. There is a thread on the ClubScuderia site that shows you how to adjust it. I'm getting mine done when she goes in for a little bit of paint this Winter. I'll let you know how it goes. Here is the thread: http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php...
Excellent! Thanks for that. I'll have a good lurk on there during this week. Off to work tonight. Hopefully that leak will be what you mention. If it is then that's fine. I really don't mind niggles if they're common faults. It's the ones you get when everyone says "never seen that" that make you panic a bit.One of the best sites is http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk. You can also try http://www.ferrarichat.com which is mostly USA guys but loads of Ferrari guys from the UK hang out there.
The leak you mention sounds like the same thing that has happened to mine, and mines a Modena! It is down to the windows dropping at the front which menas when the rear of the window reaches the top it stops leaving a small gap where the tweeter housing sits. There is a thread on the ClubScuderia site that shows you how to adjust it. I'm getting mine done when she goes in for a little bit of paint this Winter. I'll let you know how it goes. Here is the thread: http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php...
Going to have a good read through that lot. Thanks very much.
Incidentally, my friend has fiddled with his windows with slivers of nylon shimming to stop them rattling so it would appear he may not have sorted them as well as he'd hoped.
No disrespect to him though. He is very handy. Much more than me!
marky911 said:
By groans and graunches do you mean with the roof or the drivetrain/suspension. He has been honest and said there is a slight bobble from the left hand front of the car. I'm guessing balljoint as he hasn't renewed any yet. The inspection will hopefully list all of this though.
By belts do you mean cambelts? They were done last year and have only done 200 miles since!
I'm still mystified by this 3 year cambelt change though! Unreal. I'll pay it but bloomin' eck!
Yes to drivetrain, yes to cambelts. I believe there is a "cheating" way of inspecting / changing them through an access panel which means the engine does not need to be removed, but this is not the recommended way of doing it.By belts do you mean cambelts? They were done last year and have only done 200 miles since!
I'm still mystified by this 3 year cambelt change though! Unreal. I'll pay it but bloomin' eck!
I am as much a newbie at F car ownership as yourself, so still learning myself!
The engine does not come out of a 360 for a belt change, there is an acess panel for this purpose and this is the correct way, You are getting confused with 348 / 355 models where engine out is correct but there is a way of sliding the engine back just enough to slip new belts on, but tensioners cannot be replaced this way.
360's require belts every three years, costs around £400 - £450 + the cost of the annual service.
T.
360's require belts every three years, costs around £400 - £450 + the cost of the annual service.
T.
Ok, thanks lads.
Tim, you'll be better than anyone at clarifying this variator query if you don't mind.
I've read loads over the last two days but can't see much on what route owners take.
The car is a 2001 I think but maybe a 2000.
If it was one of the cars with the dodgy variators, I'm guessing they would have been uprated by now.
Even if they have been though or if they were never the ones at risk what is the maintenance procedure these days?
Inspect at belt change or simply renew at every single belt change?
Have you ever known a later/improved variator to fail?
How much extra cost does replacement involve when they are fitted at belt change?
Also, have you ever seen a belt fail due to going over it's change schedule time wise but NOT mileage wise.
Just wondering really as my mates car had belts a year ago but has only done 200 miles! So it has used up a third of it's life time wise, but barely touched its allowance mileage wise.
I would never skimp on maintenance and my cars always get every single thing they need plus lots they don't need but, it seems ludicrous to me, this belt malarkey.
Mind you I've been spoilt coming from a world of BMWs and 911s which are all chain drive.
Tim, you'll be better than anyone at clarifying this variator query if you don't mind.
I've read loads over the last two days but can't see much on what route owners take.
The car is a 2001 I think but maybe a 2000.
If it was one of the cars with the dodgy variators, I'm guessing they would have been uprated by now.
Even if they have been though or if they were never the ones at risk what is the maintenance procedure these days?
Inspect at belt change or simply renew at every single belt change?
Have you ever known a later/improved variator to fail?
How much extra cost does replacement involve when they are fitted at belt change?
Also, have you ever seen a belt fail due to going over it's change schedule time wise but NOT mileage wise.
Just wondering really as my mates car had belts a year ago but has only done 200 miles! So it has used up a third of it's life time wise, but barely touched its allowance mileage wise.
I would never skimp on maintenance and my cars always get every single thing they need plus lots they don't need but, it seems ludicrous to me, this belt malarkey.
Mind you I've been spoilt coming from a world of BMWs and 911s which are all chain drive.
marky911 said:
Ok, thanks lads.
Tim, you'll be better than anyone at clarifying this variator query if you don't mind.
I've read loads over the last two days but can't see much on what route owners take.
The car is a 2001 I think but maybe a 2000.
If it was one of the cars with the dodgy variators, I'm guessing they would have been uprated by now.
Even if they have been though or if they were never the ones at risk what is the maintenance procedure these days?
Inspect at belt change or simply renew at every single belt change?
Have you ever known a later/improved variator to fail?
How much extra cost does replacement involve when they are fitted at belt change?
Also, have you ever seen a belt fail due to going over it's change schedule time wise but NOT mileage wise.
Just wondering really as my mates car had belts a year ago but has only done 200 miles! So it has used up a third of it's life time wise, but barely touched its allowance mileage wise.
I would never skimp on maintenance and my cars always get every single thing they need plus lots they don't need but, it seems ludicrous to me, this belt malarkey.
Mind you I've been spoilt coming from a world of BMWs and 911s which are all chain drive.
Relax about the belts, its not expensive and yes they will go past the date but why take the risk, to protect your investment and for a future purchaser to be content with the car you will need to keep her maintainance schedule upto date, cars with service gaps etc always struggle compared with cars that have a full compliment of service stamps, Confidence in the product comes from being looked after properly.Tim, you'll be better than anyone at clarifying this variator query if you don't mind.
I've read loads over the last two days but can't see much on what route owners take.
The car is a 2001 I think but maybe a 2000.
If it was one of the cars with the dodgy variators, I'm guessing they would have been uprated by now.
Even if they have been though or if they were never the ones at risk what is the maintenance procedure these days?
Inspect at belt change or simply renew at every single belt change?
Have you ever known a later/improved variator to fail?
How much extra cost does replacement involve when they are fitted at belt change?
Also, have you ever seen a belt fail due to going over it's change schedule time wise but NOT mileage wise.
Just wondering really as my mates car had belts a year ago but has only done 200 miles! So it has used up a third of it's life time wise, but barely touched its allowance mileage wise.
I would never skimp on maintenance and my cars always get every single thing they need plus lots they don't need but, it seems ludicrous to me, this belt malarkey.
Mind you I've been spoilt coming from a world of BMWs and 911s which are all chain drive.
Campaign 97 was carried out at main dealer level while the cars were still within warranty, so as long as she has seen a main dealer around 2001 - 2002 it will have been carried out - but this can be checked with the last six figures of the chassis number being sent to Maranello Concessionaires.
Yes obused cars can have a variator failure, I saw two last year, both came from cars that work very hard for a living - and had been messed about with. Generally it not an issue.
T.
Excellent Tim,
I'll check out the vin number thing when I get it and then probably budget for new variators in 2 years when I get the belts done. Then I know they're in there.
Thanks for all the info. I just had a look to see where you're based as I thought you'd be way down south but you're not far at all. I'm just north of Newcastle upon Tyne really, so about 3 hours away.
I then twigged you are sales only rather than servicing, etc? Is that right? I'd got it into my head you were an indy for servicing etc, aswell.
Is there anyone you'd recommend for a pre-purchase inspection who can travel? Not required until the turn of the year anyway mind. I'll have to sell the old 911 first and make sure work is still going OK.
All being well though, I'm having that car!
I'll check out the vin number thing when I get it and then probably budget for new variators in 2 years when I get the belts done. Then I know they're in there.
Thanks for all the info. I just had a look to see where you're based as I thought you'd be way down south but you're not far at all. I'm just north of Newcastle upon Tyne really, so about 3 hours away.
I then twigged you are sales only rather than servicing, etc? Is that right? I'd got it into my head you were an indy for servicing etc, aswell.
Is there anyone you'd recommend for a pre-purchase inspection who can travel? Not required until the turn of the year anyway mind. I'll have to sell the old 911 first and make sure work is still going OK.
All being well though, I'm having that car!
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