997 GT3 RS Gen 1 or 2

[nigelonich]

I am interested in picking one up over the next few months and I have been looking into colours and spec etc. Id appreciate some feedback on what extras/options to have and also which ones to avoid etc.

Basically, whats does a good one have and vice versa. Maybe even some of you would say the normal GT3 is fine enough???

Ta.

[ROK]

buy the newest 1 u can afford

[mrdemon]

buy the cheapest one in best condition :-)

this is such an open question

one car is 70k the other is >100k

who knows what you want.

[melvster]

I would prefer a Gen 1 RS, prefer the looks and colour combo's, not one colour combo i like on the Gen 2. Having said that, why not pick up a 2007 GT3 for around 55k.

Clubsport
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3314275.htm

Clubsport with Ceramic brakes and rarer exterior colour.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3186097.htm

Cheapest Gen 1 RS
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3309815.htm

most 997 Gen 1 RS's start at 75k. Unless you are doing a lot of circuit days then i personally would save myself around 15k and just buy a Gen 1 GT3 Clubsport.



The Gen 2 GT3's start at around 80k and for the RS version it is just shy of 100k.

[Mermaid]

Are you going to use it on track? If not, why an RS?

If yes, then are you a good enough driver to extract the best out of the Gen 2 to justify the extra dosh. If so, have you also considered the 6RS?

[Harris_I]

If you buy the gen 1, replace the PASM with passive adjustable dampers. Otherwise it doesn't make sense as an RS.

Haven't driven the gen 2, but I hear it's great out of the box.

996RS is raw and involving.

[GJB]

997 RS.1 fantastic car. We did several thousand miles touring Europe (roll cage unbolted and removed) and several track days. Great fun.

997 RS.2 Better handling and more power (can you ever have to much bhp?) with later touch screen sat nav etc. If you can afford one the second generation car is a better car. If you start off with a gen 1 can you will not be disappointed (just don't drive a gen 2 car).

[Mermaid]

GJB said:

..If you start off with a gen 1 can you will not be disappointed (just don't drive a gen 2 car).

And if you buy a Gen 2, just dont drive the 4.0 RS

[nigelonich]

All good.

I want the best car with the best chance of holding its value. Say what you want but that is a real issue for me even if I have to compromise in some ways.

Sounds like a Gen2 is the one to go for.

I did look at the GT3 but Im maybe way off here but id rather a Turbo S. I dont see a market for a GT3 as long as a TurboS or the Gt3 RS exists. Hence the reason there are so may available and they are cheaper maybe.

I was looking at the Porsche website the other day and its amazing the number of variants there is on one model.

[melvster]

Have you looked at a 997 GT2?? They are unlikely to lose much money due to their rarity.

[mrdemon]

quote
"I did look at the GT3 but Im maybe way off here but id rather a Turbo S. I dont see a market for a GT3 as long as a TurboS or the Gt3 RS exists"

you need to look up your models, a 997 GT3 and turbo in the same line, the turbo market has nothing to do with the GT3 market. !!!!

as for a 997.1 RS over a 997.1 GT3 you get nothing extra for your 15k bar a big wing, the 997.1 RS was a bit of a marketing thing with pretty colours.

people saying if you do tracks days get the RS is a bit daft when you are looking at the 997.1 models.

Then gen 2 models are 35k more. and a 997 Turbo S is 130k ?

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 11th October 16:18

[Mermaid]

nigelonich said:

All good.

I want the best car with the best chance of holding its value. Say what you want but that is a real issue for me even if I have to compromise in some ways.

Sounds like a Gen2 is the one to go for.

All good cars, but the Gen 2's have a lot further to fall than the Gen 1's. And some people think the 6RS will lose the least money.

[puntograle]

nigelonich said:

...I want the best car with the best chance of holding its value. Say what you want but that is a real issue for me even if I have to compromise in some ways....

Well, if that is your key driver, then I would suggest a 996 RS is better than 997.1RS which is better than 997.2RS.

The 7.2RS is the newest car and hence most likely to still be on a depreciating curve (though still a better buy than other non GT variants).

The 7.1RS and 6RS are both more stable in comparison. To be honest, even if these were depreciating at the same % rate as the 7.2RS, the absolute sums involved are lower and hence the absolute size of money at risk.

If I was buying now I would mentally budget that with a 7.2RS you would have at most ~£10K at risk, with a 7.1RS ~£7K, and with a 6RS ~£5K
(by these numbers I mean how much you could lose over a short/medium term buy and sell cycle even if the car did not inherently depreciate much...which compared to all other alternative cars is still very good!)

You could also interpret that as if you can afford £100K then a 7.2RS is not all that more expensive! (I know I probably just contradicted myself!)

All IMHO

Edited by puntograle on Tuesday 11th October 16:32

[puntograle]

Mermaid said:

All good cars, but the Gen 2's have a lot further to fall than the Gen 1's. And some people think the 6RS will lose the least money.

Ah snap! and more pithy. You beat me to it.

[911Thrasher]

and i assume all these calculations are based on ZERO miles driven purely on parking the car in a garage.

If you top up with 10kmiles per annum, these numbers may change drastically - check the 7.1RS for sale with 45kmiles? hardly worn in, but 10kGBP gap with the other 7.1RSs

[nigelonich]

puntograle said:

Ah snap! and more pithy. You beat me to it.

Now the 996 GT3 is something I had not considered and a huge chunk cheaper and solid in terms of potential resale value. Thanks to the mention of that one!

I own a 360CS and a E46 M3 CSL so the 996 GT3 would complete the set of 2003-4 cars to have. However, I just thought that i would have a look into seeing what the up to date versions are and hence the reason I thought it might be the GT3 RS.

Is a 997.1 GT3 RS just a 997.1 GT3 with some cosmetic bits? I am surpised at that one. Surely not.

[Mermaid]

nigelonich said:

I own a 360CS and a E46 M3 CSL so the 996 GT3 would complete the set of 2003-4 cars to have. However, I just thought that i would have a look into seeing what the up to date versions are and hence the reason I thought it might be the GT3 RS.

Nice stable - will you be selling any?

Check this out

http://www.fgear.tv/forum/archive/index.php/t-522....

Edited by Mermaid on Tuesday 11th October 16:54

[SFO]

nigelonich said:

Is a 997.1 GT3 RS just a 997.1 GT3 with some cosmetic bits? I am surpised at that one. Surely not.

WH Smith has a magazine sized book compilation of all GT3 roadtests ever carried out by GT Porsche for sale at around £9. A fine publication with lots of info

[Mermaid]

nigelonich said:

Is a 997.1 GT3 RS just a 997.1 GT3 with some cosmetic bits? I am surpised at that one. Surely not.

AFAIK - wider body, fatter tyres, roll cage, fire extinguisher, cup seats, 6 point belts, huge spoiler, painted wheels,livery, suspension changes but no doubt someone will add a few more differences.

Power probably the same, although not so on the Gen 2.

[nigelonich]

Mermaid said:

Nice stable - will you be selling any?

Check this out

http://www.fgear.tv/forum/archive/index.php/t-522....

Edited by Mermaid on Tuesday 11th October 16:54

The shed is getting a bit full but id drop the CSL as the 360CS has been owned from new and its very good indeed to be honest so the hype around them is true.

nigelonich said:

Converted my agricultural shed into a garage and workshop.