997 C2s with 111K miles. Good Price or walk away?

[soulkid555]

It has 111K miles..5 owners..which seems very high..basically a new owner every year.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseactio...

Asking price of €31K

Similar 2005 models here in Ireland are asking around €49K with around 40K miles..

We have VRT here on our cars so the same car in the UK will me much cheaper.

Is a 997 C2S with 111K miles going to be a money pit? Should a potential buyer expect big bills with such high mileage?

Or is it a good buy if it was well looked after and serviced by its previous owners?

What you think?

[mollytherocker]

With the well documented issues these engines have, as well as a good inspection, I would be getting the bores boroscoped for scoring.

How many miles are you going to do a year and are how long are you planning to keep?

MTR

[996ttalot]

mollytherocker said:

With the well documented issues these engines have, as well as a good inspection, I would be getting the bores boroscoped for scoring.

How many miles are you going to do a year and are how long are you planning to keep?

MTR

+1

2005 & 2006 does not seem to be a great vintage for the c2s.

[ROK]

dont u guys find it a little bit sad that so much doubt is cast on porsche engineering that a 100K engine is so highly questioned when marks like toyota, honda, bmw face no palpable concerns esp if priced accordingly?

i guess there's always a concession or two in life.

[rog007]

If it's what you can afford, if you like the car and you can ascertain what has or has not been replaced (at this mileage stuff will have worn out) then why not? Assuming you have it inspected and can negotiate the price, worth at least having a look and starting a conversation. Good luck!

[anonymous-user]

What's the service history like? Always the key on high mileage cars.

[tony russell]

With that colour interir i would walk awau

[Henry-F]

I would suggest you see how many hours the car has done via the ECU (you will need a system tester to do this) then multiply that reading by 30. That will give you an idea of how much actual work the car has done expressed in people's perception of miles.

In other words a car that's sat on the motorway with a high average speed won't have done that much work per mile, one sat in traffic around a busy town will have a low average speed and have done lots of work per mile. 30mph would be seen as the "normal" average so it's a way of determining actual work from mileage.

Of course it won't have any bearing on value which tends to be set bay the number on the speedo.

Also keep in mind that a replacement or repaired engine is going to set you back somewhere around £6-12k, are you saving enough money on a lower mileage car to cover that? If you are then you might take a view that it's a good buy.

Finally just because it's done some miles and is well priced don't assume that it's a good buy. You still need to do you due diligence tests.

Good luck

Henry

[soulkid555]

Thanks for all the replies guys...

[anonymous-user]

Henry-F said:

I would suggest you see how many hours the car has done via the ECU (you will need a system tester to do this) then multiply that reading by 30. That will give you an idea of how much actual work the car has done expressed in people's perception of miles.

I like that concept. But quite sad that 30 mph is an 'average, average' speed. My Volvo estate has averaged close on 40 mph over 90,000 miles of mixed driving so it must be a fair bit faster than your 'average' 911

[RiccardoG]

Are you specifically looking for a Tiptronic? If not and its just a compromise to get into a 997, I would pass on that one (unless you're only buying to say you have a current shape 911, for the next 2 months).

[thegoose]

Henry-F said:

Also keep in mind that a replacement or repaired engine is going to set you back somewhere around £6-12k, are you saving enough money on a lower mileage car to cover that? If you are then you might take a view that it's a good buy.

I think you've contradicted yourself a bit here Henry. I fully agree that a car with 111,000 on the display may have done a similar amount of actual work (or less) than some with 40,000 on the display, but to then go on to bring the cost of replacing the engine into the discussion suggests that it's something more likely to need considering on the car with the bigger number displayed, no?


Anyway, I'd be more than happy to own a car like that if it all checked out OK, the fact that the market values it by the number on the dash is beneficial - you can get a similarly worn car for a lot less money than if the dash number were lower.

[anonymous-user]

Still no getting away from the fact that it's done 111,000 miles of one form or another. Still quite high regardless of usage. I would have said it's more a case that some much lower mileage cars are worn out too, rather than this one being 'fresh'. Bet it doesn't exactly smell like a new car inside and there will be some engine wear. Got to be realistic here, but could still represent value for money.

[Manks]

uktrailmonster said:

Still no getting away from the fact that it's done 111,000 miles of one form or another. Still quite high regardless of usage. I would have said it's more a case that some much lower mileage cars are worn out too, rather than this one being 'fresh'. Bet it doesn't exactly smell like a new car inside and there will be some engine wear. Got to be realistic here, but could still represent value for money.

I'd agree with that.

Whilst I have driven some low mileage cars that have not been cared for and high mileage ones that have, high miles cars tend to give away their history one way or another by being just that be shinier at contact points, looser feeling and with little bits of wear on the interior.

I have tried to keep new cars looking and feeling new but the passing of time and particularly usage seems to win in the end.

[Henry-F]

thegoose said:

Henry-F said:

Also keep in mind that a replacement or repaired engine is going to set you back somewhere around £6-12k, are you saving enough money on a lower mileage car to cover that? If you are then you might take a view that it's a good buy.

I think you've contradicted yourself a bit here Henry. I fully agree that a car with 111,000 on the display may have done a similar amount of actual work (or less) than some with 40,000 on the display, but to then go on to bring the cost of replacing the engine into the discussion suggests that it's something more likely to need considering on the car with the bigger number displayed, no?

I probably should have added, "And even if this isn't the case then........."

I wasn't suggesting that the car was any more likely to have issues. Just pointing out that there's cash in the bank waiting to cover anything which did materialise.

Henry