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So once again innovation is quashed. Bernstein whinging about if you make something it should be available to everyone? Whats that about. Surely the whole point of R&D and drag racing is to develop something a little bit different, a bit special that helps give you the edge, thats what motorsport is about. Better give everyone in funny car an identical jelly mould then, cos God forbid a JFR Mustang has a slight aero advantage over a Charger!
Bring back the canopy Garlits developed in 1986! That worked, it looked good, it was clearly safer and give everyone the option to develop their own.
Also, in the picture of Anton's fire I don't see a shroud? The fire lights up the individual tubes of the cage?
Bring back the canopy Garlits developed in 1986! That worked, it looked good, it was clearly safer and give everyone the option to develop their own.
Also, in the picture of Anton's fire I don't see a shroud? The fire lights up the individual tubes of the cage?
That is odd ????the bit there moaning about dosnt appear to be there.The garlits car although semi streamling was his motive after seeing cars in the lights at 280 or whatever pushing dust forward,,,one of the main reasons he put the cover over the driver was i believe driver safety,he was concerned about a bird strike ,i seem to remember?also im sure he had just before that car had part of a blower rotor from another car hit his roll cage and dent it,,,,i always thought that a canopy was a good safety feature ,but i believe it does encourage fire to come forward into the still area of the cockpot.What would you do adam to streamline a bit of the car ? i know you have air managment experience,,,,,taking into account the weight of the appendages,,,,,,,,,,bill
Bird strike does happen and by all accounts isn't that nice! John Everitt had one hit his visor at ~160mph and gave him a beast of a headache, Collin Fallows also had one at about 250 in one of his jet cars on a British LSR run.
I still think a fully enclosed cockpit is the answer, canopy over the driver and a full shroud so fire can't get in. It also tidies up the air round the cockpit and to the injector. With modern kevlar/carbon fibre honeycomb structure the weight addition would be minimal. I think the original reason it disappeared was NHRA mandating onboard fire extinguishers if you ran an enclosed cockpit so that was a weight penalty right there, I'd say fire suppression in a nitro car isn't a bad idea full stop......
I think the biggest aero gains to be had on any race car is flat underfloors, skirts and diffusers. A lot of people don't realise the mess that is air flow under a car! But rules prevent that in most classes, hopefully something we can finally put together on the altered while it's with you over the winter Bill? CFD modelling and flow testing look like it should make a nice difference.
I still think a fully enclosed cockpit is the answer, canopy over the driver and a full shroud so fire can't get in. It also tidies up the air round the cockpit and to the injector. With modern kevlar/carbon fibre honeycomb structure the weight addition would be minimal. I think the original reason it disappeared was NHRA mandating onboard fire extinguishers if you ran an enclosed cockpit so that was a weight penalty right there, I'd say fire suppression in a nitro car isn't a bad idea full stop......
I think the biggest aero gains to be had on any race car is flat underfloors, skirts and diffusers. A lot of people don't realise the mess that is air flow under a car! But rules prevent that in most classes, hopefully something we can finally put together on the altered while it's with you over the winter Bill? CFD modelling and flow testing look like it should make a nice difference.
MotorPsycho said:
So once again innovation is quashed.
You shouldn't be surprised. That's more or less been a stated aim in the nitro classes for several years, in order to keep a cap on costs. Otherwise they'd spiral out of control and kill the class. The lack of innovation here is a good thing.Edited by Tet on Tuesday 18th October 09:53
Just had a look at the Johnny Gray engine explosion on youtube. Was interesting to see one of the chutes did not deploy correctly. It shows that if you get a bit of bad luck when the body is fired off you could still be without chutes if they both tangle even if they do deploy automatically.
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