Fire Extinguisher
Discussion
You getting a plumbed in one?
I'm not sure of the point if not, as frankly getting the screwdriver out to lift the rear clam when theres a fire seems a dubious idea!
Of course plumbed in extinguishers take up a lot of space and way a tonne...
You been getting worried by these burning noble pics?
>> Edited by DanH on Friday 18th June 22:14
Well to give you an idea about the size of a plumbed in extinguisher :
Ok its in a GT2 but you get my point.
As the chap who was posting on stuttgart9s about removing this pointed out. If his car catches fire, he'd rather have a total burn out and get a new one, than some dodgey fire damaged car thats been repaired...
As to the 6 points I can see more of an argument for them, but the hassle would overwhelm me. Also you sit quite erect in the noble, so is submarining really an issue? Most people don't even adjust their 4 points properly (bottom straps apparently need to be tight over the thighs not the belly!).
I used to race so know about harnesses and extinguishers </smug twat>, they'll do you a smaller plumbed in one if you ask, with the remote electronic firing you may even be able to get away with the bottle in the engine compartnent?. Now I've decided to keep the car (was thinking about getting shot as the missus want's kids) I've been tempted by the reverie seats as well.
Nitrons will be sorted asap after the wedding which is 6 weeks time, spare set of wheels are in the garrage, getting them painted "OUT OF MY WAY" black and then it'll be either 048R's ot Avon ZZR
Can't wait
Nitrons will be sorted asap after the wedding which is 6 weeks time, spare set of wheels are in the garrage, getting them painted "OUT OF MY WAY" black and then it'll be either 048R's ot Avon ZZR
Can't wait
Sounds good
Presumably fire extinguisher volume will be based on size of engine bay etc more than anything else? I'd guess you could get one behind the seats too at a push? At least you wouldn't have an irate passenger kicking it/damaging themselves on it that way.
Anyway hope the wedding goes well. Mines not till next year and shes coming around to the idea of a Noble
>> Edited by DanH on Friday 18th June 22:42
m12_nathan said:
The extinguisher is not about the car, more about being trapped in the car and burning to death, ultimately I don't care if the car survives a crash as long as the passenger and I do
I want to make a track day weapon
Sounds like you need a nice Exige with a honda engine.
In all seriousness, how are you finding using the M12 as a track car? I've been given the impression that its not a cheap car to track regularly. Has your car got the 6 speed & LSD?
No it hasn't. I can't fit in an exige anyway
I was considering an M3 CSL as a car to kart the kids about
I think the Noble can be a great track car if you are prepared to do the work - Paul C has fitted an accusump which will help, I'll do his brake cooling mod as well. The suspension ans tyres will mean it can stay with an exige in the corners and standard power will give it the edge on the straights (equal to a honda conversion?). I love the Exige but can never have one so am gonna make my car quicker, if I get the 6 speed box I assume there is nothing to stop me from chasing 400bhp either
I have no warrenty and have decided to through caution to the wind
I was considering an M3 CSL as a car to kart the kids about
I think the Noble can be a great track car if you are prepared to do the work - Paul C has fitted an accusump which will help, I'll do his brake cooling mod as well. The suspension ans tyres will mean it can stay with an exige in the corners and standard power will give it the edge on the straights (equal to a honda conversion?). I love the Exige but can never have one so am gonna make my car quicker, if I get the 6 speed box I assume there is nothing to stop me from chasing 400bhp either
I have no warrenty and have decided to through caution to the wind
Ah well if you can't fit in an Exige its not an option, I just know from personal experience that Elises are remarkably cost effective to track for a road car. I don't really know the comparative pace of a honda liz vs the noble as both sets of owners think there cars are quicker. Guess that means they are probably fairly close
Driver skill is too much of a factor anyway, Walshy was keeping with a GT2 in a honda elise when I was in it, and there is no doubting a GT2 is a faster car. Does the airflow to the brakes mod make any allowance for preventing water getting onto the discs? (splashguards or the S2 Exige has angled slats which would probably catch a lot of the water).
No water protection, it is built in thinking from Lee that if the brakes are too good when it is wet you will lock up.
Honda exige verses Noble I'd say nothing in it. The GT03 has done 0-100 in 8.8 seconds which is f'ing quick, If I want to go much faster I'll get a radical which will leave an exige, honda'd or not, for dead, a lot of people say the exige is quicker round corners but forget that while the exige comes with track biased suspension and tyres the noble comes with body roll and SO3's, change the tyres and add nitrons to the Noble and it'll stick with a nitroned exige drivers being equal.
Mate has just got a new SR4 with circa 600bhp/tonne - now that is quick!
Honda exige verses Noble I'd say nothing in it. The GT03 has done 0-100 in 8.8 seconds which is f'ing quick, If I want to go much faster I'll get a radical which will leave an exige, honda'd or not, for dead, a lot of people say the exige is quicker round corners but forget that while the exige comes with track biased suspension and tyres the noble comes with body roll and SO3's, change the tyres and add nitrons to the Noble and it'll stick with a nitroned exige drivers being equal.
Mate has just got a new SR4 with circa 600bhp/tonne - now that is quick!
yep an sr3 will kill either car. I suspect that that kind of speed is just silly for track days though...
Don't agree about water on the discs ever being good though. Especially with some performance pads that take up water if splashed really compromising their wet braking. People on the Elise forums complaining about that issue the other day (the guy had removed his splash guards)... Combine that with wet discs giving you almost no initial bite - best avoided imho
I agree with you, while radicals are fantastically fast but trackdays are about fun, my ultimate aim is to have a quick but forgiving and adjustable car that can be driven to the track and back (and to work and back as it is currently). Being able to catch a slide is more important to me than outright grip.
>> Edited by m12_nathan on Saturday 19th June 09:14
>> Edited by m12_nathan on Saturday 19th June 09:14
Going off-post here lads...
I mentioned the fire-extinguisher thing to Lee at the weekend, as am thinking about fitting the usual, small hand-held unit inside the cabin - he said he might prefer a self-contained system fitted behind the driver's seat and the feed through the rear bulkhead into the engine bay.
Before you all inundate the factory with requests, Lee was not offering this as an option, we were just chatting! :-)
I mentioned the fire-extinguisher thing to Lee at the weekend, as am thinking about fitting the usual, small hand-held unit inside the cabin - he said he might prefer a self-contained system fitted behind the driver's seat and the feed through the rear bulkhead into the engine bay.
Before you all inundate the factory with requests, Lee was not offering this as an option, we were just chatting! :-)
You can get them from Andrew walsh - he did the development work on them, I'm sure Andrew Glover also mentioned some track time with AW to set them up to your taste. 850 + Vat including springs (uprated to 500 front and 600 rear I think), I believe they are the NTR model. I'm sure if you mail Andrew glover through his profile on here (A.C.G) he'll give you the info you need.
As an indication a GTO3R was about 5 seconds per lap! slower round brands (I assume GP) than a nitron & pirelli equiped GTO3 with 6 speed and LSD.
As an indication a GTO3R was about 5 seconds per lap! slower round brands (I assume GP) than a nitron & pirelli equiped GTO3 with 6 speed and LSD.
Worth noting that with a suspension mod like this and grippier tyres, that firstly to keep the warranty on the nitrons, they need a rebuild every year back at the factory. Also you'll be putting a lot more stress across the car, so expect to go through ball joints etc. at an accelerated rate. Not trying to discourage you, if I get a Noble I think I'll be wanting Nitrons, but worth knowing the disadvantages too...
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