X Type 3.0 V6 Sport Vs Mondeo ST220 - credible rivals?
Discussion
I've been thinking about a Mondeo ST220 for a while, but had a realisation today that an X Type 3.0 V6 Sport manual would possibly be a viable alternative. The four wheel drive appeals, as does the "Jaguarness" of it. Obviously the two are mechanically related to a degree and I haven't seen too many reports of the Jag being unreliable at higher miles.
The best thing would seem to be that the Jag can be bought cheaper than the Mondeo.
Am I miles off beam with my thinking, or am I making sense for once?
The best thing would seem to be that the Jag can be bought cheaper than the Mondeo.
Am I miles off beam with my thinking, or am I making sense for once?
Based on a Mondeo yes, but from what I know, there isn't actually that much shared by way of components.
I really like the Jag X type and would love a 3.0 sport in black, but I think I'd find the mpg a bit too low for my very urban commute which I understand is one of the cars downsides.
In terms of interior and exterior, I'd have the Jag over the Mondeo all day long. People can say it's not a proper Jag all they like, but this isn't simply an exercise in badge engineering.
I really like the Jag X type and would love a 3.0 sport in black, but I think I'd find the mpg a bit too low for my very urban commute which I understand is one of the cars downsides.
In terms of interior and exterior, I'd have the Jag over the Mondeo all day long. People can say it's not a proper Jag all they like, but this isn't simply an exercise in badge engineering.
The Mondeo argument is my whole point, to a degree. They share some parts, but it's not as much as is commonly touted. Ok, the centre console lets the interior down a bit, but otherwise I see it as dependable mechanicals with hopefully better build quality and a more prestige feel to it - and it's cheaper than a Mondy!
VX Foxy said:
I wouldn't have either. Any other options?
Far, far too many to list. But I'll try
Currently wondering whether to get an MX-5, OR an E39 535i Sport, Audi A4 2.8 Quattro Sport, Audi A6 2.7 Quattro Sport, Saab 9-3 Turbo Convertible, Mondeo ST220, Jag X Type or a Lexus LS430, or indeed anything else that takes my fancy.
Rollcage said:
Far, far too many to list.
But I'll try
Currently wondering whether to get an MX-5, OR an E39 535i Sport, Audi A4 2.8 Quattro Sport, Audi A6 2.7 Quattro Sport, Saab 9-3 Turbo Convertible, Mondeo ST220, Jag X Type or a Lexus LS430, or indeed anything else that takes my fancy.
E39 without a shadow of doubt!!But I'll try
Currently wondering whether to get an MX-5, OR an E39 535i Sport, Audi A4 2.8 Quattro Sport, Audi A6 2.7 Quattro Sport, Saab 9-3 Turbo Convertible, Mondeo ST220, Jag X Type or a Lexus LS430, or indeed anything else that takes my fancy.
Ps. Mx5s on 2yr lease at £120 /mth at the mo
Hi
We have a 2.5L X Type. Had it for about a year and getting on for 20k so far. Not driven a 3L but from what I have heard they are just more torquey and use more fuel.
Personally I would say it depends on what you want to car for. The Jaguar is not a sporty fun drive. It is a nice car to be a passenger in, but driving it makes me feel like I am a passenger.
The engine is very smooth, but seems to try and give the impression of torque by using a very big flywheel. Get to a hill and it doesn't lose speed, but also doesn't gain speed if you floor it so you need to knock it down a gear or 2 (not what you expect from a 2.5 V6 in a low state of tune). The steering is very slow and lacking in feel (other car is an Alfa 156 for comparison). Brakes are effective but not a massive amount of feel. Gearbox is a bit knotchy and lethargic, possibly related to a large flywheel.
Build quality is OK, but worse than the 156. Centre oddments box between the seats squeaks (they all do that) and the trims around the air vents on top of the dash come out. We recently had fun with the remote central locking playing up which turned out to be a problem with the ignition switch (little flap has a sensor to detect if the key is in the switch which sticks, and if it thinks the key is in then it disables half the functions on the remote)! The solonoid for the boot release plays up (it is a Ford part, probably from the Mondeo so probably not a problem worth considering when choosing between an X Type and Mondeo). Steering wheel feels cheap and plasticy. The transfer boxes for the 4wd are not known for longevity, with the major problem being that in theory you can't check the oil in them or top them up with them on the car (believe the trick is to jack one side of the car several feet in the air to get the box at the right angle to top up the filler).
Good points is the boot is a good size, 4wd is useful, they are dirt cheap for what you get, seats are comfy, so cam belts to change, heating and air conditioning work well and they look nice inside and out.
Fuel wise in general use we get 28mpg on the trip computer (which seems to be about 2mpg optimistic). Sedate long motorway journeys will give move (coming back from France driving at about 70 and being gentle the trip computer said 36mpg). However it really drinks petrol on short journeys around town (suspect the weight doesn't help).
My view, if you want a comfy place to do long motorway journeys they grab one. If you want something the thrash around a bit then they are not for you.
All the best
Keith
We have a 2.5L X Type. Had it for about a year and getting on for 20k so far. Not driven a 3L but from what I have heard they are just more torquey and use more fuel.
Personally I would say it depends on what you want to car for. The Jaguar is not a sporty fun drive. It is a nice car to be a passenger in, but driving it makes me feel like I am a passenger.
The engine is very smooth, but seems to try and give the impression of torque by using a very big flywheel. Get to a hill and it doesn't lose speed, but also doesn't gain speed if you floor it so you need to knock it down a gear or 2 (not what you expect from a 2.5 V6 in a low state of tune). The steering is very slow and lacking in feel (other car is an Alfa 156 for comparison). Brakes are effective but not a massive amount of feel. Gearbox is a bit knotchy and lethargic, possibly related to a large flywheel.
Build quality is OK, but worse than the 156. Centre oddments box between the seats squeaks (they all do that) and the trims around the air vents on top of the dash come out. We recently had fun with the remote central locking playing up which turned out to be a problem with the ignition switch (little flap has a sensor to detect if the key is in the switch which sticks, and if it thinks the key is in then it disables half the functions on the remote)! The solonoid for the boot release plays up (it is a Ford part, probably from the Mondeo so probably not a problem worth considering when choosing between an X Type and Mondeo). Steering wheel feels cheap and plasticy. The transfer boxes for the 4wd are not known for longevity, with the major problem being that in theory you can't check the oil in them or top them up with them on the car (believe the trick is to jack one side of the car several feet in the air to get the box at the right angle to top up the filler).
Good points is the boot is a good size, 4wd is useful, they are dirt cheap for what you get, seats are comfy, so cam belts to change, heating and air conditioning work well and they look nice inside and out.
Fuel wise in general use we get 28mpg on the trip computer (which seems to be about 2mpg optimistic). Sedate long motorway journeys will give move (coming back from France driving at about 70 and being gentle the trip computer said 36mpg). However it really drinks petrol on short journeys around town (suspect the weight doesn't help).
My view, if you want a comfy place to do long motorway journeys they grab one. If you want something the thrash around a bit then they are not for you.
All the best
Keith
Thanks for the useful info Keith.
Not driven either at the moment - just canvassing opinion until the time is right to make a move. (IE I have the money!) Car won't be used as a main car, just as some thing reasonably nice to have IYSWIM. Hence the wide choice and type of target vehicle.
Not driven either at the moment - just canvassing opinion until the time is right to make a move. (IE I have the money!) Car won't be used as a main car, just as some thing reasonably nice to have IYSWIM. Hence the wide choice and type of target vehicle.
billzeebub said:
like you say it is not a proper Jag, it's a Mondeo!..my mate has an X-Type and everyone to a man refers to it as the Mondeo..having said that it is a high mileage(motorway mainly) V6 and never given him any issues..apart from the piss taking
Your mates are obviously ill-informed d
heads. X Type neither feels or drives anything like a Mondeo.mercfunder said:
billzeebub said:
like you say it is not a proper Jag, it's a Mondeo!..my mate has an X-Type and everyone to a man refers to it as the Mondeo..having said that it is a high mileage(motorway mainly) V6 and never given him any issues..apart from the piss taking
Your mates are obviously ill-informed dheads. X Type neither feels or drives anything like a Mondeo.Plus the X-Type 3.0 manual is faster than an ST220.
FreeLitres said:
+1
Plus the X-Type 3.0 manual is faster than an ST220.
Also ask any road tester which chassis from the common lot of a Mondeo, insignia, A4, passat, avensis etc you'd want to base a car on and they would say Mondeo every time! It's not like everyone calls a TT a golf in drag, or a Bentley as a phaeton in a dress! The Mondeo is a great chassis on which to base a car, anyone that's driven one will tell you that. Plus the X-Type 3.0 manual is faster than an ST220.
Your mates are just clarkson drones who talk just to make noises
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