Turkey Has Invaded Iraq
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Victor McDade

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4,395 posts

213 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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I wonder if this will result in large demonstrations in the streets of London, Early Day Motions in the UK Parliament, interventions by charities and lobby groups, UN resolutions, conferences at universities, calls for boycotts and sanctions, aid convoys, flag burning in Islamabad and Cairo or anything like that.




TheBeeb said:
A major Turkish military offensive is continuing in northern Iraq, following a deadly attack by Kurdish rebels inside Turkey.

Ankara said 22 battalions, or about 10,000 soldiers, were taking part in the operation in northern Iraq and also south-eastern Turkey.

The troops – including commandos and paramilitary forces – are being backed by war planes and helicopters.

On Tuesday, Kurdish PKK rebels killed 24 soldiers near the Iraqi border.

The attacks in Hakkari province are thought to have inflicted the biggest loss on Turkish forces since 1993 and President Abdullah Gul has vowed to avenge them.

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In a statement on Thursday, the Turkish military said that 22 battalions were involved in the operation.

It said the ground troops were being reinforced by F-16 and F-4 jets and Cobra helicopter gunships
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15390006

TheEnd

15,370 posts

219 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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"...and Kurdish rebels from the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) has mounted..."

Worker's party? sounds a bit like communism to me, nothing winds up the US more than communism, it's like a red rag to a bull that dislikes communism.

Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Wait Im confused. Are we not supposed to be protecting teh Kurds? wasnt that one of the reasons we invaded because Sadam didnt like them even though they were blood thirsty terrorists sorry freedom fighters.

does that mean we get to blow the st out of Turkey now? or do we blow the st out of the Kurds?

elster

17,517 posts

241 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Hasn't this been going on for the past decade already?

Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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I think teh Kurds and the Turks have been slugging it out for a long time.

louiebaby

11,000 posts

222 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Pesty said:
Wait Im confused. Are we not supposed to be protecting teh Kurds? wasnt that one of the reasons we invaded because Sadam didnt like them even though they were blood thirsty terrorists sorry freedom fighters.

does that mean we get to blow the st out of Turkey now? or do we blow the st out of the Kurds?
Who has the oil? (Usually question one to determine who's side the USA and her Allies will take.)

Mikeyboy

5,018 posts

266 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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This sort of thing happens a fair bit but not usually in these numbers. Iraq has never been able or interested perhaps to stop the Turks doing it.

The odd thing is that the present Turkish government had been willing to make concessions and had been talking to the leader of the PKK (who is in jail) but seem to have lost patience with them.

Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Having 20 people murdered can make somebody lose a bit of good will I imagine.

0a

24,159 posts

225 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Let them keep it - stinking sthole.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

263 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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louiebaby said:
Who has the oil? (Usually question one to determine who's side the USA and her Allies will take.)
Kurdistan has a st load.

robstvr

3,217 posts

299 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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"The US and Nato have issued statements in support of the Turkish government"

From the Beeb article.

Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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From 2003

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2829517.stm

Tony Blair is being called on to ensure the protection of millions of Kurds if Turkey gives the go-ahead for the deployment of US troops in the region.
Hundreds gathered outside Downing Street to express their fear that any Turkish intervention into Iraqi Kurdistan will mean the end of Kurdish self-governance.

Some of the banner-waving protesters spoke out in anger at British MPs who voted against the government's hardline stance on Iraq.


jeff m2

2,060 posts

182 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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The Kurds have been a bit of a problem for years.

Really a good idea to supply them with armsrolleyes, it sometimes makes one wonder why they tag the word intelligence onto some govenment agencies.

FourWheelDrift

92,366 posts

315 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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elster said:
Hasn't this been going on for the past decade already?
It's been gone on for longer than that, Winston Churchill signed a paper authorising the use of poison gas on Kurdish rebels back in the 1920s.

Those naughty Kurds, you just never know whether to help them or exterminate them. Depends on the political situation, oil situation or which way the wind is blowing it seems.

But since they aren't a recognised state and Turkey are a basketcase important part of the East European NATO wall and staging ground for the attack on Pakistan trouble makers they will be supported by the politicians, until their usefulness has been exhausted. Then they will have their arms twisted behind their backs until they pull out of Cyprus and stop bear baiting. Oh and give us their oil cheap.

davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Saturday 22nd October 2011
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As has been said it's nothing new. The Kurds have been subjugated ever since the latter part of the Ottoman Empire, and after that by Turkey itself. An independent Kurdistan would be quite powerful due to the oil, which is why nobody wants to see it. However it'll be interesting to see what Iraq does about it.

All in all probably a good job Turkey isn't an EU member yet. wink

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Saturday 22nd October 2011
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House the Kurds in Northern Cyprus - job done.

hidetheelephants

36,289 posts

224 months

Saturday 22nd October 2011
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hornetrider said:
House the Kurds in Northern Cyprus - job done.
Are they any good at making kebabs?