MP4 in Supertest
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The top German car magazine for sports cars (Sport Auto) have just done a comprehensive test of the MP4. The test (stereotypically for Germans) is very thorough and includes timed laps of the Nuerburgring and small course at Hockenheim, as well as acceleration and brake tests.
Out of 70 points (in the technical sections) the Mclaren scored 70, which only the GT2RS has otherwise matched.
The lap time for the Nuerburgring was 7:28 (only GT2RS faster at 7:24 with 458 at 7:38)
Overall the Germans were very impressed. No doubt some on here will use that as stick to beat theMP4 with! I just find it a pity that the best reviews of the MP4 have been from non-British car magazines.
Out of 70 points (in the technical sections) the Mclaren scored 70, which only the GT2RS has otherwise matched.
The lap time for the Nuerburgring was 7:28 (only GT2RS faster at 7:24 with 458 at 7:38)
Overall the Germans were very impressed. No doubt some on here will use that as stick to beat theMP4 with! I just find it a pity that the best reviews of the MP4 have been from non-British car magazines.
it is not a surprise that the car is really fast. and after all the bad press and publicity, i guess mclaren gave to Sport Auto a "very well set up car".
if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise that the car is really fast. and after all the bad press and publicity, i guess mclaren gave to Sport Auto a "very well set up car".
if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
Didn't the GT2RS do it in 7.18 in a later test, or was that only Porsche who got the figure?if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
To be honest....below £200k, I can't think of anything faster than a GT2RS and below £100k, the GTR.
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise that the car is really fast. and after all the bad press and publicity, i guess mclaren gave to Sport Auto a "very well set up car".
if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
Do you ever say anything positive about British cars? if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
CanadianScot said:
snaelro said:
it is not a surprise that the car is really fast. and after all the bad press and publicity, i guess mclaren gave to Sport Auto a "very well set up car".
if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
Do you ever say anything positive about British cars? if I remember well, people were announcing 7min lap times. the GT2RS did the test in 7.24, the GT3RS 4.0 in 7min30 with 100hp less, no clever suspension or airbrake, and the GTR in 7.34 for less than half the price.
the car of the test also had a suspension sensor failure (like evo's earlier this year?), and the drivers admitted it lacked confident feeling when driven very quick.
kbf1981 said:
Didn't the GT2RS do it in 7.18 in a later test, or was that only Porsche who got the figure?
To be honest....below £200k, I can't think of anything faster than a GT2RS and below £100k, the GTR.
Thats a Porsche quoted time.... just like any manufacturers quote these days I just ignore it.... if porsche or nissan or lexus' etc test drivers are the only ones that can make the car do that time then its meaningless - the sport-auto times I consider far more of a reference time to compare between models. To be honest....below £200k, I can't think of anything faster than a GT2RS and below £100k, the GTR.
GT3ZZZ said:
Correct - Mr Snaelro doesn't know what he's talking about
when it is a ferrari test, they are cheating when it is a mclaren test, it is the absolute truth..anyway, from what i understood, this 70/70 doesn't mean 70 points out of 70
70/70 means :
70/80 Overall (458 did 73/80, Scuderia 78/80)
70/80 without wet handling (458 did 67/80, 430 scuderia 69/80)
snaelro said:
GT3ZZZ said:
Correct - Mr Snaelro doesn't know what he's talking about
when it is a ferrari test, they are cheating when it is a mclaren test, it is the absolute truth..anyway, from what i understood, this 70/70 doesn't mean 70 points out of 70
70/70 means :
70/80 Overall (458 did 73/80, Scuderia 78/80)
70/80 without wet handling (458 did 67/80, 430 scuderia 69/80)
ANDYCLAX said:
So the 12c is the better car in the dry,and also in the wet if it was wearing standard tyres,everyone knows the 12c is the quicker car and the 458 the more emotional car,try talking to an italian with his hands tied behind his back and you get the idea.
I take it the 458 press car was not available? Remember that car trounced the Mp12 and the GT2RS around track.MoBeanz said:
I thought the Sport Auto tests didn’t use factory supplied cars as a matter of principle.
FWIW, the 458 Italia that Horst Von Saurma tested round the ring last year for the 7.38 lap mentioned by the OP was definitely factory supplied. I was there at the time and there was plenty of Ferrari support present (458 and support vans Italian registered etc)! I did think the same as you though till I saw that!GT3ZZZ said:
Correct - Mr Snaelro doesn't know what he's talking about
interesting that SportAuto did the effort of bringing a car from the UK to germany to conduct a test on the nurburgring. even better, Sport Auto is the BBC, because the car has the same number plate as the one tested in top gear beginning of this year !!
and of course mclaren was not involved in the test...but they released an official video...
so lets face it : if ferrari "cheats", mclaren does exactly the same
Edited by snaelro on Monday 24th October 17:44
Edited by snaelro on Monday 24th October 17:44
snaelro said:
interesting that SportAuto did the effort of bringing a car from the UK to germany to conduct a test on the nurburgring.
even better, Sport Auto is the BBC, because the car has the same number plate as the one tested in top gear beginning of this year !!
and of course mclaren was not involved in the test...but they released an official video...
so lets face it : if ferrari "cheats", mclaren does exactly the same
By and large, Ferrari are the KINGS of manipulating tests and power outputs of press cars..... Trust me on this..even better, Sport Auto is the BBC, because the car has the same number plate as the one tested in top gear beginning of this year !!
and of course mclaren was not involved in the test...but they released an official video...
so lets face it : if ferrari "cheats", mclaren does exactly the same
Edited by snaelro on Monday 24th October 17:44
Edited by snaelro on Monday 24th October 17:44
Mclaren with their TWO road going offerings are NOT (yet)
Arun_D said:
MoBeanz said:
I thought the Sport Auto tests didn’t use factory supplied cars as a matter of principle.
FWIW, the 458 Italia that Horst Von Saurma tested round the ring last year for the 7.38 lap mentioned by the OP was definitely factory supplied. I was there at the time and there was plenty of Ferrari support present (458 and support vans Italian registered etc)! I did think the same as you though till I saw that!Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff