Derren Brown The Experiments
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In his latest 'experiment' he hypnotised a guy to carry out an assassination on Stephen Fry. It obviously wasn't real but the guy didn't know that. If you have a spare 40mins then it's worth a watch on 4OD. If it isn't real then the guy he hypnotised is an incredible actor! Compelling viewing none the less.
Steamer said:
Was the 'guess the wrapped up drawing in the Tate' one of his experiments?
Intersting watching, with a twist - which is pretty much what he always does.
Yes, I watched the first airing of that and I got what the picture was because I'd obviously picked up the subconscious message in the newspaper that morning. Well, I'd decided it was either circles or a duck. Intersting watching, with a twist - which is pretty much what he always does.
I found it entertaining as usual. I enjoyed the shoe removal and the part with the reveal of his pin number.
The weakest part of the show was the reaction of the small invited audience who had no knowledge of the experiment. When listening to the lecture by Stephen Fry on Words, they only offered gasps of horror when he was shot three times - this included the theatre of blood bags in his jacket and Mr Fry lying 'dead' on the stage, not moving.
Why did no-one rush to the stage to offer assistance?
The weakest part of the show was the reaction of the small invited audience who had no knowledge of the experiment. When listening to the lecture by Stephen Fry on Words, they only offered gasps of horror when he was shot three times - this included the theatre of blood bags in his jacket and Mr Fry lying 'dead' on the stage, not moving.
Why did no-one rush to the stage to offer assistance?
jonnylarge said:
I found it entertaining as usual. I enjoyed the shoe removal and the part with the reveal of his pin number.
The weakest part of the show was the reaction of the small invited audience who had no knowledge of the
experiment. When listening to the lecture by Stephen Fry on Words, they
only offered gasps of horror when he
was shot three times - this included the
theatre of blood bags in his jacket and
Mr Fry lying 'dead' on the stage, not
moving.Why did no-one rush to the stage to offer assistance?
I thought this too. They must have told them something could happen during the show. Not sure what my reaction would have been though. Probably screaming like a girl and running towards the exit.The weakest part of the show was the reaction of the small invited audience who had no knowledge of the
experiment. When listening to the lecture by Stephen Fry on Words, they
only offered gasps of horror when he
was shot three times - this included the
theatre of blood bags in his jacket and
Mr Fry lying 'dead' on the stage, not
moving.Why did no-one rush to the stage to offer assistance?
The results Derren got in The Assassin did not surprise me at all. You might recall he did something very similar in an earlier show: The Heist
The techniques that he used were, as I am sure he would be first to admit, pretty basic in hypnosis terms but, as ever with him, the sheer brilliance and polish of his delivery made it very engaging.
I have no doubt at all that many secret services around the world have and maybe even still do create operatives in similar ways - after all, its not far removed from the training of regular troops in some ways (check out this programme on bayonet training and tell me that's not hypnotic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBJrhUv-zA)
The techniques that he used were, as I am sure he would be first to admit, pretty basic in hypnosis terms but, as ever with him, the sheer brilliance and polish of his delivery made it very engaging.
I have no doubt at all that many secret services around the world have and maybe even still do create operatives in similar ways - after all, its not far removed from the training of regular troops in some ways (check out this programme on bayonet training and tell me that's not hypnotic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBJrhUv-zA)
Two major problems:-
(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed there was no real risk remained i.e. you cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to do or know is genuinely wrong.
(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed there was no real risk remained i.e. you cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to do or know is genuinely wrong.
cazzer said:
I don't know if that was genuine or not but there is one coming up in the series.
They filmed it locally to me and I know some of the main participants.
They weren't stooges and they weren't primed to do what they did.
I won't spoil it by saying anymore yet.
A bit pointless mentioning it then, isn't it? They filmed it locally to me and I know some of the main participants.
They weren't stooges and they weren't primed to do what they did.
I won't spoil it by saying anymore yet.
Melvin Udall said:
A bit pointless mentioning it then, isn't it?
Would you like me to tell ya what it's all about and the end result of it then? 
Hmmm?
Its the "lucky dog" one.
Photo from the day (not me, my mate tony, not that you needed to know that
)Edited by cazzer on Saturday 22 October 22:05
Melvin Udall said:
cazzer said:
I don't know if that was genuine or not but there is one coming up in the series.
They filmed it locally to me and I know some of the main participants.
They weren't stooges and they weren't primed to do what they did.
I won't spoil it by saying anymore yet.
A bit pointless mentioning it then, isn't it? They filmed it locally to me and I know some of the main participants.
They weren't stooges and they weren't primed to do what they did.
I won't spoil it by saying anymore yet.
Edited by Hackney on Monday 24th October 21:04
Mr GrimNasty said:
Two major problems:-
(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed
there was no real risk remained i.e. you
cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to
do or know is genuinely wrong.
Two major problems with your observations(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed
there was no real risk remained i.e. you
cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to
do or know is genuinely wrong.
1) When the bloke was shown the replay, we were shown the condensed version of it. It skipped a few moments as we just saw it. Makes sense as I wouldn't want to sit through 5mins worth of replay I've just seen.
2) How do you explain the ice bath? His reaction to it genuinely seemed like he wasn't effected by the cold. When he wasn't in a hypnotised state he could only stand the temperature for a few seconds. Surely this proves you can be hypnotised to do something you don't want to do? (or some people)
MrMagoo said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Two major problems:-
(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed
there was no real risk remained i.e. you
cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to
do or know is genuinely wrong.
Two major problems with your observations(1) The bloke did not go into 'marksman mode' when being shown the replay of what he did (the polka dot was visible).
(2) The fundamental flaw that the guy knew he was in a TV show (as with the 'acid' throwers) and therefore assessed
there was no real risk remained i.e. you
cannot hypnotise someone to do something they genuinely don't want to
do or know is genuinely wrong.
1) When the bloke was shown the replay, we were shown the condensed version of it. It skipped a few moments as we just saw it. Makes sense as I wouldn't want to sit through 5mins worth of replay I've just seen.
2) How do you explain the ice bath? His reaction to it genuinely seemed like he wasn't effected by the cold. When he wasn't in a hypnotised state he could only stand the temperature for a few seconds. Surely this proves you can be hypnotised to do something you don't want to do? (or some people)
(1) You've ignored the crucial point I made - he didn't react to the polka dot, we saw him see it again, condensed or not.
(2) What is there to explain about the ice, or rather I should say, slightly cold water? It's just cold, mind over matter. Most people (except complete wimps) can force themselves to tolerate it. FFS. It's not hard. Like I said, specially in the context, it is not a genuinely life threatening situation, the bloke knew they wouldn’t harm him for a TV show - despite the spiel. Loads of circus performers do it, Artic training covers it, Scandinavians and Russians do it for fun!
Get a grip boy.
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