converting 964 to look like pre -89 car.
Discussion
Hi,
I see at the moment there is a trend for making 964's and impact bumper 911's look like older 70's style 911's. But for me, my favorite 911's are the 80's impact bumper cars (the prettiest IMO being the 88 Clubsport.
Is it possible if all the correct parts were amassed, that a 964 can be made to look like one of the older cars, and would the relevant Fuchs wheels fit a Carrera 4 (I am assuming that on the 964, the Carrera 4 is a 'narrow body' car)?
If it can be done (fairly strait forwardly) does anyone have pics of converted cars?
Thanks.
I see at the moment there is a trend for making 964's and impact bumper 911's look like older 70's style 911's. But for me, my favorite 911's are the 80's impact bumper cars (the prettiest IMO being the 88 Clubsport.
Is it possible if all the correct parts were amassed, that a 964 can be made to look like one of the older cars, and would the relevant Fuchs wheels fit a Carrera 4 (I am assuming that on the 964, the Carrera 4 is a 'narrow body' car)?
If it can be done (fairly strait forwardly) does anyone have pics of converted cars?
Thanks.
Morning Richard,
I've got to be brief as I'm about to leave for work but basically..
Buy a nice G50 box (that's 87 onwards on Carreras) 3.2 Carrera.
You'd spend a fortune converting one back over and be left with a bitsa worth nowhere near what you had spent and also have ruined a good 964 in the process.
Loads of other reasons why not but like I say, I'm off out in a minute.
Also genuine factory Fuchs won't go on a 964. Totally wrong offsets. They'll stick out the arches by a mile. You'd need some replica ones with offsets to suit.
A 3.2 in more agricultural to drive than a 964 but a good one is still lovely. If you simply must do it then yes anything can be done if you throw enough money at it (see Paul Stephens creations) but imho just buy the real deal in the first place.
I'm sure more people will be along soon with somemore advice.
I've got to be brief as I'm about to leave for work but basically..
Buy a nice G50 box (that's 87 onwards on Carreras) 3.2 Carrera.
You'd spend a fortune converting one back over and be left with a bitsa worth nowhere near what you had spent and also have ruined a good 964 in the process.
Loads of other reasons why not but like I say, I'm off out in a minute.
Also genuine factory Fuchs won't go on a 964. Totally wrong offsets. They'll stick out the arches by a mile. You'd need some replica ones with offsets to suit.
A 3.2 in more agricultural to drive than a 964 but a good one is still lovely. If you simply must do it then yes anything can be done if you throw enough money at it (see Paul Stephens creations) but imho just buy the real deal in the first place.
I'm sure more people will be along soon with somemore advice.
Thanks chaps,
I absolutely agree with what both of you say. And if I were buying the car just for me. And or, as a toy, a nice G50 3.2 Carerra would be my first choice (as much as I love the Clubsport, I’m not wishing to make a fake, more just get the look).
However, This is a car that would also be driven by my wife on a fair few occasions, get used all year round and as a result would occasionally have my 2 young children in the back and my wife driving (hence why i wanted the extra safety and possible robustness of the Carrera 4.....
Of course I could only justify the cost of conversion and the knock on effect of re-sale price by the fact that, i really would like my purchase to be a keeper.
I absolutely agree with what both of you say. And if I were buying the car just for me. And or, as a toy, a nice G50 3.2 Carerra would be my first choice (as much as I love the Clubsport, I’m not wishing to make a fake, more just get the look).
However, This is a car that would also be driven by my wife on a fair few occasions, get used all year round and as a result would occasionally have my 2 young children in the back and my wife driving (hence why i wanted the extra safety and possible robustness of the Carrera 4.....
Of course I could only justify the cost of conversion and the knock on effect of re-sale price by the fact that, i really would like my purchase to be a keeper.
Edited by richard300 on Monday 24th October 08:47
Agree that the 'Club Sport' is very pretty - as well as being one of the nicest 911 variants of all time.
But, really would question the merit of converting a 964 to a 'Club Sport' look-a-like. Original is always best, IMO, whether it's a 964, 3.2 Carrera,or CS.
You can put red wheels and a 'Carrera' side logo on a white 964. If you can't find a white 964 you could have it wrapped. Money better spent IMO.
But, really would question the merit of converting a 964 to a 'Club Sport' look-a-like. Original is always best, IMO, whether it's a 964, 3.2 Carrera,or CS.
You can put red wheels and a 'Carrera' side logo on a white 964. If you can't find a white 964 you could have it wrapped. Money better spent IMO.
richard300 said:
Hi,
I see at the moment there is a trend for making 964's and impact bumper 911's look like older 70's style 911's. But for me, my favorite 911's are the 80's impact bumper cars (the prettiest IMO being the 88 Clubsport.
Is it possible if all the correct parts were amassed, that a 964 can be made to look like one of the older cars, and would the relevant Fuchs wheels fit a Carrera 4 (I am assuming that on the 964, the Carrera 4 is a 'narrow body' car)?
If it can be done (fairly strait forwardly) does anyone have pics of converted cars?
Anything is possible...I see at the moment there is a trend for making 964's and impact bumper 911's look like older 70's style 911's. But for me, my favorite 911's are the 80's impact bumper cars (the prettiest IMO being the 88 Clubsport.
Is it possible if all the correct parts were amassed, that a 964 can be made to look like one of the older cars, and would the relevant Fuchs wheels fit a Carrera 4 (I am assuming that on the 964, the Carrera 4 is a 'narrow body' car)?
If it can be done (fairly strait forwardly) does anyone have pics of converted cars?
My immediate thoughts are :
16" Fuchs won't fit the front of a standard bodied 964 (Only the Turbos and Anniversaries / Celebrations are wide) as the bigger brakes demand a greater offset. You can space the wheels out to clear the calipers, but then they protrude beyond the arches. Many firms make replica Fuchs to overcome this.
The 964 silencer is unlikely to fit behind an impact bumper set up and even if it does the exhuast pipe is on the other side, but that just means getting an exhaust system made.
There's a good chance you'll need to shorten the tub at the front too in the spare wheel area.
The rocker cover plastics on the 964 aren't a swap for the metal and rubber items on a 3.2.
It really depends how accurately you want to recreate the look, but I reckon it's a cracking idea. My wife won't drive anything pre-964 either.
http://www.psautoart.com/
If you have the bank account Paul Stepehens will Backdate a 964 for you.
They look a bit heavy compared to the Pre '73 cars. Oh and Fuchs don't fit, so they have a pretty similar design that will fit.
If you have the bank account Paul Stepehens will Backdate a 964 for you.
They look a bit heavy compared to the Pre '73 cars. Oh and Fuchs don't fit, so they have a pretty similar design that will fit.
Edited by scotal on Monday 24th October 09:54
Thanks everyone....
Well, it would appear the reality is, that such a conversion just isn’t viable.
I did think of the 'Red centered' cup wheels and red carrera logo's on a factory white 964. But the problem is, I just don’t think the 964 variant has what it takes visually for me to fall in love with.
Perhaps a 3.2 Carrera and putting the wife on a couple of advanced driving courses is the way to go? Incidentally to the later impact bumper 911's have ABS, and if so does something like a racelogic TC system work reasonable well in a 911 of this age?
Well, it would appear the reality is, that such a conversion just isn’t viable.
I did think of the 'Red centered' cup wheels and red carrera logo's on a factory white 964. But the problem is, I just don’t think the 964 variant has what it takes visually for me to fall in love with.
Perhaps a 3.2 Carrera and putting the wife on a couple of advanced driving courses is the way to go? Incidentally to the later impact bumper 911's have ABS, and if so does something like a racelogic TC system work reasonable well in a 911 of this age?
richard300 said:
Thanks everyone....
Well, it would appear the reality is, that such a conversion just isn’t viable.
I did think of the 'Red centered' cup wheels and red carrera logo's on a factory white 964. But the problem is, I just don’t think the 964 variant has what it takes visually for me to fall in love with.
Perhaps a 3.2 Carrera and putting the wife on a couple of advanced driving courses is the way to go? Incidentally to the later impact bumper 911's have ABS, and if so does something like a racelogic TC system work reasonable well in a 911 of this age?
No ABS on later 3.2s as far as I know (or power steering) and all 911s of this era are prone to locking front brakes if you're not careful. Can be quite scary if you're used to mashing the brakes on and relying on ABS. But if your wife is keen to learn, then there's no reason why she wouldn't be able to drive a C3.2 competently. But forget it if she's not particularly into the idea. Steering is very heavy at parking speeds too, so bear that in mind if you regularly have to shuffle around in tight spaces.Well, it would appear the reality is, that such a conversion just isn’t viable.
I did think of the 'Red centered' cup wheels and red carrera logo's on a factory white 964. But the problem is, I just don’t think the 964 variant has what it takes visually for me to fall in love with.
Perhaps a 3.2 Carrera and putting the wife on a couple of advanced driving courses is the way to go? Incidentally to the later impact bumper 911's have ABS, and if so does something like a racelogic TC system work reasonable well in a 911 of this age?
I don't think there are any real 'safety' issues between a 964 and 3.2 in normal use. Legend has it that they 'oversteer' (actually they both 'understeer' and more so on the C4). It's quite hard to get a 911 to oversteer. I've done 500,000 miles in 911s, from 2.4s to 997s, in all weathers, and I've never encountered problematic oversteer on the road.
However, the 964 is a bit more modern - ABS, Power Steering, improved heating/ventilation, and an Airbag on the later models. You could even get 'Tiptronic', if your wife prefers. Nice cars, and really good unmolested examples likely to be future classics, so best kept original, IMO.
However, the 964 is a bit more modern - ABS, Power Steering, improved heating/ventilation, and an Airbag on the later models. You could even get 'Tiptronic', if your wife prefers. Nice cars, and really good unmolested examples likely to be future classics, so best kept original, IMO.
Not quite the CS look but you could get a 964 and go for something like this:
Courtesy of http://boxsey.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-finally-said-...
Courtesy of http://boxsey.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-finally-said-...
Geneve said:
I don't think there are any real 'safety' issues between a 964 and 3.2 in normal use. Legend has it that they 'oversteer' (actually they both 'understeer' and more so on the C4). It's quite hard to get a 911 to oversteer. I've done 500,000 miles in 911s, from 2.4s to 997s, in all weathers, and I've never encountered problematic oversteer on the road.
However, the 964 is a bit more modern - ABS, Power Steering, improved heating/ventilation, and an Airbag on the later models. You could even get 'Tiptronic', if your wife prefers. Nice cars, and really good unmolested examples likely to be future classics, so best kept original, IMO.
I'd second that, oversteer was apparently (I haven't driven one) only a serious problem on the very early short wheelbase cars from the late '60s. Even by the early '70s the handling was pretty tame. Like Geneve I've owned and driven loads of 911s of all ages and never had a serious oversteer moment. I can't say the same for the late '80s BMW 325i I once owned!! But that doesn't make them easy to drive. The pre '89 cars are quite agricultural in their controls, with heavy steering, brakes (although SCs and C3.2s at least have a brake servo), clutch and gearchange - although again the later G50 box is a bit lighter. However, the 964 is a bit more modern - ABS, Power Steering, improved heating/ventilation, and an Airbag on the later models. You could even get 'Tiptronic', if your wife prefers. Nice cars, and really good unmolested examples likely to be future classics, so best kept original, IMO.
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