A poke in the eye for Bob Crowe
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-240...
Can’t happen soon enough, for to long they have held the city to ransom.
Can’t happen soon enough, for to long they have held the city to ransom.
scotal said:
TTwiggy said:
Because nobody actually DOES anything anymore, they just get paid a six-figure salary to consult about things, allowing them to post on here all day.
Cool, where does one apply?
Good.
Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long run than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers
) forgetting the crucial points:
1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
I bet he doesn't ask the following "How cheap do you need the salaries to be so that we can keep the drivers and not 'go auto'"?
Drivers may/will lose jobs but many will be created (those that have to design/implement) the auto-systems.
Crow always goes on about "the workers" but in fact he doesn't care about "the" workers, only "his" (union) workers.
Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long run than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers
) forgetting the crucial points:1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
I bet he doesn't ask the following "How cheap do you need the salaries to be so that we can keep the drivers and not 'go auto'"?
Drivers may/will lose jobs but many will be created (those that have to design/implement) the auto-systems.
Crow always goes on about "the workers" but in fact he doesn't care about "the" workers, only "his" (union) workers.
Edited by Dracoro on Tuesday 25th October 16:33
TTwiggy said:
I wouldn't know - but you might ask on the 'Anti-capitalist protesters' thread, as there seem to be plenty of well-paid, time-rich individuals hanging around on there.
Are you saying you're not a multi-directorship holding member of the ruling elite?You're no good to me, I need coat tails to cling to.
(As an aside I'd mass the ranks of the household cavalry at Ludgate hill and give the protestors 5 mintues to leave. Its nothing against the right to protest, I'd just like to see a cavalry charge.)
Dracoro said:
Good.
Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long rung than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers) forgetting the crucial points:
1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
I'm in general agreement with you, but I use the DLR every day (and have done so for over 5 years) and it does seem to go wrong far more often than the tube. And it's not running anything like as many trains or anywhere near the same volume in terms of gaps between trains.Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long rung than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers
) forgetting the crucial points:1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
Still, I imagine that with the application of enough technology, it has to be possible.
Dracoro said:
Good.
Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long rung than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers) forgetting the crucial points:
1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
Also there's the constant risk of strikes, no wonder the management want it changed Crow has priced "his" drivers out of the market. LU I assume are looking at this as it will be cheaper in the long rung than loads of overpriced drivers.
Crow is trying to scaremonger though (of course) about safety and being stuck in tunnels and overrun by muggers etc. (as if drivers can currently do anything about muggers
) forgetting the crucial points:1. There will be conductor like people employed (a lot cheaper than drivers!!). They will be able to (like on the DLR) override certain settings so that "stuck" trains can get to the next platform etc.
2. Systems are out there that ensure safety, it works on the London DLR for example.
Ultimately, it's all his own doing. If drivers were "cheap" then LU wouldn't look at it as it would be more expensive.
I used to get it every day about 8/10 years ago (Greenwich to Tower Hill) and on the whole it ran much better than the tubes (at least when they break down, you're not in a dingy hole in the ground ).
Anyway, if they were all "manual" they'd still break down. The way you have it at the moment would be quite a bit more expensive if instead of £20k (or whatever) conductors, they all had £50k drivers!
AFAIK, there hasn't been any safety issues on the DLR as a result of not having drivers though?
).Anyway, if they were all "manual" they'd still break down. The way you have it at the moment would be quite a bit more expensive if instead of £20k (or whatever) conductors, they all had £50k drivers!
AFAIK, there hasn't been any safety issues on the DLR as a result of not having drivers though?
BOR said:
Harry Bollugs A Consultant said:
These savings will be used to reduce ticket prices. Won't they.....
More job losses, driverless trains, what could posibly go wrong. Great idea.Driverless train tech is out there and largely works OK (from a safety perspective at least).
Prices may not drop (of course), however keep it as it is with silly salaries and prices will certainly rise (not to mention more losses to the economy as a whole with strikes etc.).
Lets just imagine that in 2021 tens of thousands of workers will not be working in London, banks are already shipping out to less expensive regions. Why would multi nationals want to stay in an increasingly difficult to get in/out, expensive rents and all the rest of it?
Driverless underground - good idea just as long as all the safety stuff is installed for every possible scenario.
Driverless underground - good idea just as long as all the safety stuff is installed for every possible scenario.
scotal said:
Trommel said:
Nice to see all the people they interviewed agreed too.
How come they were all consultants?Also, the best poke in the eye for Crowe is the new Met Line train. As the doors close the warning beeper is the opening bars of music to the scene in the Long Good Friday at the end when the bald gangster who has been holding London to ransom is led away in the back of the Jag to be executed. Makes me chuckle each morning.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 25th October 16:57
Dracoro said:
IAFAIK, there hasn't been any safety issues on the DLR as a result of not having drivers though?
one death where driverless train may have been an issuehttp://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.1...
bodysnatcher said:
Dracoro said:
IAFAIK, there hasn't been any safety issues on the DLR as a result of not having drivers though?
one death where driverless train may have been an issuehttp://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.1...
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