Car I thought was scrapped appears to still be on the road
Car I thought was scrapped appears to still be on the road
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youngsod

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273 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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thanks to the current untaxed car thread (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1069762&mid=154378&nmt=There%27s+an+untaxed+car+outside+my+house%2E%2E%2E%2E) I had a play on the DVLA's Vehicle Status check. The usual stuff - checking to see when long lost loves went to the great scrap yard in the sky. The thing is I found out that a car of mine I thought had been scrapped was still on the road:

The vehicle details for A13 DJY are:
Date of Liability 01 09 2012
Date of First Registration 14 08 1998
Year of Manufacture 1998
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 998cc
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour SILVER

This came as a bit of a surprise as I thought she would be recycled drinks cans by now. This was my beloved (no sniggering at the back!) Micra that had taken me everywhere and outlasted my ex-wife. I had moved down to Cambridge but the car was still in Prestwick in the garage of the house I owned. When I sold the house I tried to get the Micra MOT'd to put her back on the road, but was told by the garage that the sills were too far gone to make it worthwhile. Now this was a very reputable garage in Ayr, so I took their word for it. As I was in a real hurry as the house was selling and I had to get back to Cambridge I took them up on their offer to scrap it for free. I figured the £80 I'd have got for weighing it in wasn't worth the hassle of having to sort it out in the space of a couple of hours. So I signed the necessary paperwork (or so I thought), took a final tearful photograph and left her.

Now I find out the little b*gger is back on the road! How is this possible? I'm going to go looking for the paperwork from the DVLA tonight, but in the hassle of moving 2 houses and getting married in fairly short order means I can't really remember where it is or what exactly it said. Should I be concerned that it's back on the road? How could it if the DVLA was informed it was scrap? Did the garage Bullsh*t me?

I know it's a lot of grief over a knackered 175k mile Micra, but that car was more reliable to me than the ex-wife and I had a huge soft spot for it!

1598

770 posts

186 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Only guarantee the car has been scrapped is when you get a Certificate of Destruction. Until then the car could go back on the road.

Bit naughty of the garage who took it off your hands, but then there may be a plausible story as to why they did not actually scrap it. Have to ask them I guess.

andye30m3

3,496 posts

277 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I expect it wasn't worth you paying the garage £30-40 an hour to weld it up to put it back on the road but no reason why someone who could do the work themselves couldn't make it worth doing.

Even if the garage did scrap it is there anything to stop the scrap yard selling it on to someone who's handy with a welder and want a cheap car.

rallycross

13,692 posts

260 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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did you look underneath it to see how much rust there was, takes about 5 seconds.

DanielC4GP

2,792 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Something similar happened to my mother-in-law a few years back. Was told her car was beyond repair and that it would cost more to repair than what the car was worth.

So you can imagine her surprise when she saw it drive past her a few weeks later.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I guess the scrappy may have just bought it off you, then for any old reason decided not to scrap it.

I vaguely recall a local scrapyard not scrapping their cars until the stripped shell actually went into the crusher.
Up until that point you could buy the shell from them and get the logbook as just another car purchase.

No idea if this was legal or cheeky, but I know a few chaps who got their first cars this way, then fixed them up themselves.

1598

770 posts

186 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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AFAIK, once the Certificate of Destruction is issued the car cannot go back on the road with that chassis number...

youngsod

Original Poster:

273 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Ah good, was just worried I might somehow still be the registered keeper. I'm a bit annoyed that the garage might have been a bit naughty, but this is balanced by the fact that I'm rather chuffed that the old bird is still up and running.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

16,640 posts

223 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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It was probably beyond 'economical' repair.
That doesn't stop the garage owner repairing it himself in his spare time for free and flogging it on!

Riknos

4,701 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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1598 said:
Bit naughty of the garage who took it off your hands, but then there may be a plausible story as to why they did not actually scrap it. Have to ask them I guess.
Yes, there was a reason. It was financially viable for someone to repair it and sell it on. Simple.

It's a garage. For fks sake. Do people not understand a garage isn't there to make you feel all warm and cosy and to provide a public service? They're not; it's a business, so all they care about is making profit... the ones that don't, don't last long..

Snowboy

8,028 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I guess it's just a way of misdirection advertising.

The Scrappy says – Daves Scrapyard, we'll take away your old car and give you £80.

On could presume they are taking it away to be scrapped.
However they just take it away, give it a polish and a bit of a weld, then sell it on.

VeeDub Geezer

461 posts

177 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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youngsod said:
The vehicle details for A13 DJY are:
Date of Liability 01 09 2012
Date of First Registration 14 08 1998
Year of Manufacture 1998
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 998cc
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour SILVER
I see it's not actually back on the road. It's currently SORN.

There hasn't been a keeper change since August 2010. Could be that the garage just hasn't bothered scrapping it yet? Maybe they're keeping it to do up in a quiet period?

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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or more sinister - plates used to ring another car.

Raverbaby

896 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Is it a private plate?
Coulds it be on another car?

Shaw Tarse

31,836 posts

226 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Raverbaby said:
Is it a private plate?
Coulds it be on another car?
My Car Check says its on a silver Micra Twister.

chr15b

3,467 posts

213 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Raverbaby said:
Is it a private plate?
Coulds it be on another car?
my thoughts too, A reg (81?) yet date of first reg 1998

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

256 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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A13 ... 13 is less than 21 (the numbers 1 to 20 were always held back for private plates from A-prefix registration marks, along with some other number combinations such as 555 for example) so yes, it's definitely a private plate smile .


youngsod

Original Poster:

273 posts

205 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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Sorry for the delay! Yes it was a private plate, a 30th birthday gift from the ex-wife because I had always wanted a number plate with 13 in it. The car was indeed a whole throbbing 998cc of Micra Twister in silver. A crap car? Yes, but much loved by me as it was like a faithful donkey that never let me down.

onesickpuppy

2,648 posts

180 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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youngsod said:
Sorry for the delay! Yes it was a private plate, a 30th birthday gift from the ex-wife because I had always wanted a number plate with 13 in it. The car was indeed a whole throbbing 998cc of Micra Twister in silver. A crap car? Yes, but much loved by me as it was like a faithful donkey that never let me down.
Why didn't you keep the plate?

The Wookie

14,187 posts

251 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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onesickpuppy said:
youngsod said:
Sorry for the delay! Yes it was a private plate, a 30th birthday gift from the ex-wife because I had always wanted a number plate with 13 in it. The car was indeed a whole throbbing 998cc of Micra Twister in silver. A crap car? Yes, but much loved by me as it was like a faithful donkey that never let me down.
Why didn't you keep the plate?
Presumably because it came from the ex-wife hehe