AWD sports cars??
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Thursday 27th October 2011
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Do they exist?


Let's lay down some criteria:


-Either used or new
-But if new of recent must have cost less than £30k to buy
-Sports car - as in something purpose built, sporting in design, style, look and driving nature. Likely a 2 seater or a 2+2 and probably open top of some kind
-Not MASSIVE or a saloon car



You see, AWD seems popular with high performance cars, dating back easily to cars like the Porsche 959, through the 911 C4's and Diablo's, R8's and modern Lambo's. Even Ferrari are in on it now, as are Bentley, Bugatti and a number of others.


But has there ever been a mass or main stream production sports car for the masses?

The cloest I can think of at the moment is the Murtaya http://www.murtayasportscars.co.uk/ but as it's a low volume and kit car I'm not sure it really meets my criteria other than being available as the right type of car at the right sort of money.


Over to you guys....

kambites

70,102 posts

239 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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What about the TT?

And of course various second hand 911s, if you call them sports cars.

krallicious

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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GTO?

RobCrezz

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226 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Celica GT4 maybe?


kambites

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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I think the simple question here, is "why would anyone bother"? Supercars are going 4WD because it helps them put their obscene amounts of power down. Cheap sports cars tend not to have enough power for that to be a problem, so you'd just end up compromising the steering for no real gain.

thinfourth2

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
Do they exist?


Let's lay down some criteria:


-Either used or new
-But if new of recent must have cost less than £30k to buy
-Sports car - as in something purpose built, sporting in design, style, look and driving nature. Likely a 2 seater or a 2+2 and probably open top of some kind
Dax Rush can be made in 4x4 form

Also would you call a tomcat/wildcat a sportng car?

kambites

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
Dax Rush can be made in 4x4 form
That's interesting, I never knew that. What drivetrain do they use?

Snowboy

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169 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Just to clarify,
When you say AWD do you mean a dedicated AWD system with some sort of 80/20 split of power, opposite wheel compensation adjustment and other such stuff. Bearing in mind different marques have a different opinion on what AWD can mean.

Or, do you just mean anything that's got power to more than 2 wheels?

Assuming the latter.

There's a 4x4 911 porshe variant I think.
Audi TT Quatro – or any Quatro that you like the look of.
Most Subarus are AWD.
Ford Sierra 4x4 XR4icosswroth jobby (or whatever it was)

Almost anything that's sold as a rally car perhaps?

Chris71

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260 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I wonder if there are any oddities outside the UK market? In alpine areas you do get special editions of some very ordinary 2WD saloons and hatchbacks, but I don't suppose they've ever felt the need to do that to a sports car for the reasons Kambites gives above.

Snowboy

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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kambites said:
thinfourth2 said:
Dax Rush can be made in 4x4 form
That's interesting, I never knew that. What drivetrain do they use?
I'm guessing an XR4i.
They were 4x4 I think.

MX7

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192 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Snowboy said:
kambites said:
thinfourth2 said:
Dax Rush can be made in 4x4 form
That's interesting, I never knew that. What drivetrain do they use?
I'm guessing an XR4i.
They were 4x4 I think.
No, RWD.

I think it was Cossie.

kambites

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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Snowboy said:
I'm guessing an XR4i.
They were 4x4 I think.
Ah probably. There certainly was a four wheel drive version of the Sierra, I have vague memories that it was called the XR4x4.

300bhp/ton

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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kambites said:
What about the TT?

And of course various second hand 911s, if you call them sports cars.
TT is boarder line if you consider it a sports car. Think the 911 might top the price requirement though hehe

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kambites said:
That's interesting, I never knew that. What drivetrain do they use?
Cosworth, had totally forgotten about them being available as AWD, but it's 100% valid and right what I was meaning. Think you could get them with 400hp too.

Mr E

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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RobCrezz said:
Celica GT4 maybe?
Ding.

SD1992

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176 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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As someone else said above, I always thought that the reason you get high powered sports cars with AWD was so that they could put their power down better.

With a cheaper, less powerful car, what is the point of installing a heavy and expensive AWD system if the power can be deployed through 2 wheels rather than 4?

Besides the cars listed above, I am sure I read somewhere that BMW are going to start making AWD cars - maybe an XDrive 130i coupe or something like that might appear at some point? Who knows smile

300bhp/ton

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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Snowboy said:
Just to clarify,
When you say AWD do you mean a dedicated AWD system with some sort of 80/20 split of power, opposite wheel compensation adjustment and other such stuff. Bearing in mind different marques have a different opinion on what AWD can mean.

Or, do you just mean anything that's got power to more than 2 wheels?

Assuming the latter.

There's a 4x4 911 porshe variant I think.
Audi TT Quatro – or any Quatro that you like the look of.
Most Subarus are AWD.
Ford Sierra 4x4 XR4icosswroth jobby (or whatever it was)

Almost anything that's sold as a rally car perhaps?
Hi.

I mean anything capable of AWD, of course there are better and worse AWD setups though.

As for the cars you list, I'm not sure any bar maybe the TT fit the brief in the OP.

smile

andy665

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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There was indeed the 2.9 V6 Cologne powered XR4x4 and the rarer GLS 4x4 with the same drivetrain but a lower spec

SD1992

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Thursday 27th October 2011
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doogz said:
BMW have been making 4WD cars for years and years.

They just weren't bringing them to the UK.
Which ones do they do in AWD?

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Chris71 said:
I wonder if there are any oddities outside the UK market? In alpine areas you do get special editions of some very ordinary 2WD saloons and hatchbacks, but I don't suppose they've ever felt the need to do that to a sports car for the reasons Kambites gives above.
I agree. I was just curious. The Mutaya takes a good platform (Impreza) and basically loses a fair chunk of weigh and makes it look more sporty and purposeful, alla more sports car.

I wondered if there had been anything else similar. Dax Rush is a good comparison, although still a long way from mainstream.