Calling all 'heel n toers'.

[Boatbuoy]

Evening all.

I want to perfect the art of heel and toe braking. I've watched various threads on Youtube and fully understand the theory.

I've been practiscing in my everyday car and can (mostly) manage it as best as is possible in a 2.0 TDI Audi!

However, when I get in the Cerbera there's not a hope in hell of being able to do it. The two main issues seem to be that the throttle and brake pedals do not sit level (which I think I can adjust), and the large gap between the throttle and brake pedals (which I guess I can solve by buying some wider pedals). I suppose having the throttle pedal extending further towards the floor might also help?

Any hints or tips gratefully recieved!

Regards,
Olly

[scotty_d]

When i changed from Chimaera to Cerb i hated the standard pedals so my first upgrade was the leaven stainless ones. They are great for heal toe nice and wide and you can set all three pedals to how you want them not just the brake and clutch.

[Chimpafrolic]

scotty_d said:

When i changed from Chimaera to Cerb i hated the standard pedals so my first upgrade was the leaven stainless ones. They are great for heal toe nice and wide and you can set all three pedals to how you want them not just the brake and clutch.

scotty, what pedal positions have you settled on?

I have the Leven pedals in my Chim and have been adjusting the overall distance & their relationship to each other.

Although I've tried many combinations I just can't seem to settle on something I'm 100% happy with for all three pedals.

Tips & photos?

[DuncanM]

Strange, I find the Cerbera one of the easiest cars to heel n toe in.

Mainly due to how firm the brake pedal feels for modulation, and the light flywheel making blipping the throttle so easy .

I'm sure you'll get it going with a bit of practice .

[scotty_d]

Sorry i ment to add I had leaven pedals in both Chim and Cerb , It was just a case of playing with both sets till i was happy. I guess it will depend on the size of your feet and the shoes you drive in. I only have size 8's so if some one with boat feet will find the standard pedals fine i guess.

But my set up is...... I want to push the brake down hard and not be able to push the throttle at the same time. What i mean is they are not flush when hard on the brakes i like the throttle around 20-30mm lower than the brake when fully down.

Sorry for the poor picture only one i can find on my computer as i am offshore just now so can't take a fresh one.

Hope this is of help to you

Scotty

[Chimpafrolic]

Thanks scotty,

What you are saying makes sense.

I had actually planned to bring my clutch and brake up a bit in relation to the throttle as I am finding my foot occasionally catches the throttle when I come off the brakes.

Seems to me your set up would solve this, I will make the adjustments this morning and see how it goes.

One last question; are your brake & clutch pedals set level with each other?

[tejr]

Do you actually heel-toe? I have quite a wide foot and use one side of my foot to brake, then 'angle' my foot to blip the throttle with the other side of my foot.. More like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkeHfC7ZIrI I've seen some vids where they almost literally flip their foot 90 degrees to the drivers toes are literally on the brake and heel is on the accelerator, my feet can't manage that style of heel/toeing

ps. I have the standard pedals, no metal covers (not even the 'stock' ones)

[Boatbuoy]

tejr said:

Do you actually heel-toe? I have quite a wide foot and use one side of my foot to brake, then 'angle' my foot to blip the throttle with the other side of my foot.. More like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkeHfC7ZIrI I've seen some vids where they almost literally flip their foot 90 degrees to the drivers toes are literally on the brake and heel is on the accelerator, my feet can't manage that style of heel/toeing

ps. I have the standard pedals, no metal covers (not even the 'stock' ones)

I've tried both in the Audi, but that has a floor hinged throttle and top hinged brake so the turning your foot 90 degrees method never feels safe.

I have standard pedals in the cerb and size 10.5/11 feet, but the gap between the two pedals still feels too big. I'm hoping that if I try Scotty's set up (in terms of pedal positions) I might be able to do it.

[Tanguero]

I found that adjusting the brake pedal so that when it is 3/4 depressed it is at about the same level as the throttle made heel and toe a lot more comfortable. I have the clutch about mid way between the two. IF you really feel you need a wider pedal it is possible to turn the brake pedal when you adjust it before you tighten the lock nut so it is at a slight angle, however make sure that it isn't going to catch on anything!

[Dave_M]

Leven Tech have an open day coming up in November too

[scotty_d]

[quote=Chimpafrolic

One last question; are your brake & clutch pedals set level with each other?
[/quote]

Ehh I will say yes to that. Not 100% sure as i am no at home to go have a look but i think they are.

[dinkel]

I wonder how big the advantage is when heel 'n toe is used.

I find left foot braking making a difference. Maybe I'm wrong: choosing the right gear to enter and then exit the corner and use left foot to level out the car and right foot to floor after apex.

[DuncanM]

tejr said:

Do you actually heel-toe? I have quite a wide foot and use one side of my foot to brake, then 'angle' my foot to blip the throttle with the other side of my foot.. More like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkeHfC7ZIrI I've seen some vids where they almost literally flip their foot 90 degrees to the drivers toes are literally on the brake and heel is on the accelerator, my feet can't manage that style of heel/toeing

ps. I have the standard pedals, no metal covers (not even the 'stock' ones)

I'm pretty much the same, different cars need a different technique with the foot movement.

As long as the result is the same it's all good .

If memory serves me, Julian64 uses his foot the other way round, toe on the throttle and heel on the brake.

It's great when you're doing it right!

Duncan

[ukkid35]

A floor hinged throttle makes things much easier, the very long throw of the Cerb doesn't help, the free revving AJP certainly does help. Over assisted brakes would make it harder, Cerb brake pedal feels nicely weighted.

However, I have to admit that on the couple of occasions that I've actually driven my car, I've not actually tried any H&T yet.

Edited by ukkid35 on Sunday 30th October 09:44

[Guillotine]

scotty_d said:

Ehh I will say yes to that. Not 100% sure as i am no at home to go have a look but i think they are.

Pedals SHOULDN'T be level for H&T, the throttle needs to be lower than the brake at rest. They should be roughly aligned when the brake is fully depressed, with the throttle slightly higher.

Theory to follow is that you need to H&T when braking (very hard) into a corner and maximum decelleration is needed. At this time the brake is down (possibly to max and up to an inch below its rest position) that is when you will be H&Ting and therefore the point to match the throttle to.

You'll need to experiment to find your ideal spot though.

Andy

[scotty_d]

Guillotine said:

scotty_d said:

Ehh I will say yes to that. Not 100% sure as i am no at home to go have a look but i think they are.

Pedals SHOULDN'T be level for H&T, the throttle needs to be lower than the brake at rest. They should be roughly aligned when the brake is fully depressed, with the throttle slightly higher.

Theory to follow is that you need to H&T when braking (very hard) into a corner and maximum decelleration is needed. At this time the brake is down (possibly to max and up to an inch below its rest position) that is when you will be H&Ting and therefore the point to match the throttle to.

You'll need to experiment to find your ideal spot though.

Andy

If you re read what i posted you will see i am saying the same as you. The last Answer was in regards to clutch and brake pedals.

Scott