Fake a heart attack??
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dingg

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4,566 posts

250 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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is it possible to fake a heart attack and convince an ecg that its a genuine one?

I guess it is myself but would need chemical(drug) assistance


probably a question for any medical professionals

feel free to move to health matters if need be

cheers



essexplumber

7,756 posts

204 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Have you just taken out a large life insurance policy?

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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I believe there are drugs out there which can do so yes (but I think they are rather dangerous to use, not surprisingly).

soad

34,751 posts

207 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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I'll take a guess and say yes.


anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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don't the use mandrake or deadly nightshade to produce some sort of heart issue.

the do blood test for heart attacks, tio check the levels of some cells that are produced, so you have to trick a egr and a blood test.

GTIR

24,741 posts

297 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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I'll take a guess and say no.

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

286 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Well, they can tell a hell of a lot from the ECG reading. I would suggest that faking a heart attack symptom, wou
D be easy, but getting down to the nitty gritty signs would be difficult.

Kiltox

14,867 posts

189 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Melvin Udall said:
Well, they can tell a hell of a lot from the ECG reading
This - aparrently a person's ECG reading is unique to them too and can be used as a biometric quantity like a fingerprint - I didn't know that until recently.

RemainAllHoof

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313 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Kiltox said:
This - aparrently a person's ECG reading is unique to them too and can be used as a biometric quantity like a fingerprint - I didn't know that until recently.
Wow. Cool! I didn't know that until even more recently... like about 30 seconds ago. biggrin

Kiltox

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189 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Wow. Cool! I didn't know that until even more recently... like about 30 seconds ago. biggrin
It's currently being researched anyway - someone on my course at Uni is studying it as their final year project.

goldblum

10,272 posts

198 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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How can you fake a stopped heart?...if the brain doesn't get oxygen because there's no blood supply you're in trouble,so you can't fake that.

Or d'you mean minor (!) myocardial infarction,when only part of the heart doesn't receive any blood?

It's possible if you said you felt nauseous,chest felt tight,you were in pain etc..

Just read the title properly,'can you fool an ecg?'

I think no.

Edited by goldblum on Saturday 29th October 13:17

KardioKate

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185 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it hehe

jamoor

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246 months

dingg

Original Poster:

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Saturday 29th October 2011
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KardioKate said:
It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it hehe
I guess you will be the one with the best answer due to your username sooooooo


is a very small fake attack possible - say someone says he's just not feeling 100% with tight chest & indigestion - medic without ecg available bangs a load of clot buster in at first opportunity .Would said patient with the correct drug be able to convince doc he'd suffered a genuine minor attack?


tia


KardioKate

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Saturday 29th October 2011
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dingg said:
I guess you will be the one with the best answer due to your username sooooooo


is a very small fake attack possible - say someone says he's just not feeling 100% with tight chest & indigestion - medic without ecg available bangs a load of clot buster in at first opportunity .Would said patient with the correct drug be able to convince doc he'd suffered a genuine minor attack?


tia
I can't actually say, but in my opinion as a layman, I suspect not.

Kiltox

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189 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Why, anyway? hehe

goldblum

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198 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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KardioKate said:
It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it hehe
But that's the machine making a mistake/misreading.

D'you think someone can set out to deliberately fool one?

I suppose you could insert a small electrical device into your chest...

Rawwr

22,722 posts

265 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Eat a 24oz fillet steak, drink 5 litres of Red Bull with espresso chasers and then go for a 5 mile run in a warm jacket.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

265 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Oh, fake, not induce.

KardioKate

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185 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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goldblum said:
I suppose you could insert a small electrical device into your chest...
Wouldn't the Doctor be able to tell the difference between an Arrhythmia and a heart attack though?