gas bottles in a kitchen

[thinfourth2]

We have an idea about upgrading our kitchen which involves an island unit in the middle of the kitchen.

The wife fancies a gas hob on this island unit as we don't have a gas hob at the moment as we have an aga at the moment

The problem is running gas to the hob as the floor is solid concrete with ceramic tiles and we don't want to lift it. The nearest mains gas is 9 miles away so it might be a tad pricey to get a connection so we would have to use bottle gas.

So what is stopping us from putting a small calor gas clyinder in the island unit just for the gas hob?

I can see any physical reason why we can't but the law is a funny beast

[zcacogp]

Can't help with the legal biz. but would suggest that you think fairly carefully about the practicalities of this; gas bottles are big and ugly and take up a lot of space, and it's an expensive way of buying fuel. If you are to have a supply that is usably large you need very big bottles (4ft or so) which are a pain to transport when they need refilling (and they would be too large to fit in your island unit anyway.)

While gas is my preferred cooking fuel I'm told that modern halogen hobs (I think - or perhaps ceramic or induction or something) are getting better and better, and running it pretty close these days.

Just my tuppence's worth ...


Oli.

[zaphod42]

Pretty sure it needs to be outside, at least they have been in every property I've looked at recently (common to have oil heating and gas for the cooker). The bottles were on the outside wall of the kitchen.

Either way you need a Corgi engineer to do it.

Try the http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/

And search it for LPG specialist - have a chat to one in your area - they will know the regs?

[anonymous-user]

thinfourth2 said:

We have an idea about upgrading our kitchen which involves an island unit in the middle of the kitchen.

The wife fancies a gas hob on this island unit as we don't have a gas hob at the moment as we have an aga at the moment

The problem is running gas to the hob as the floor is solid concrete with ceramic tiles and we don't want to lift it. The nearest mains gas is 9 miles away so it might be a tad pricey to get a connection so we would have to use bottle gas.

So what is stopping us from putting a small calor gas clyinder in the island unit just for the gas hob?

I can see any physical reason why we can't but the law is a funny beast

All gas bottles like that will come with a label saying that they must not be stored inside a house, and your home insurer definitely will not like it. See this link: http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/51/original/using...

The best alternative would be an induction hob which is very much like gas to cook on (pretty instant heat), but you would still need to lift part of the floor to run a cable to it. I can't see any way around doing that to be honest.

[Wings]

Gas bottles should not be stored inside, although there purpose is to be used inside, portable heaters etc., so the OP could use them with a cooker. However the problem comes with moving them from outside to inside, ok for OP but for his partner very hard work.

[Simpo Two]

Inkyfingers said:

The best alternative would be an induction hob which is very much like gas to cook on (pretty instant heat), but you would still need to lift part of the floor to run a cable to it. I can't see any way around doing that to be honest.

Run it down from the ceiling, eg in chrome tube?

[dickymint]

I think you will find Butane gas is perfectly acceptable indoors. Not quite sure about Propane though.

[anonymous-user]

Simpo Two said:

Run it down from the ceiling, eg in chrome tube?

Obviously that's an option, but aesthetically not very pleasing and usually looks like a bit of a bodge job.

[thinfourth2]

Wings said:

Gas bottles should not be stored inside, although there purpose is to be used inside, portable heaters etc., so the OP could use them with a cooker. However the problem comes with moving them from outside to inside, ok for OP but for his partner very hard work.

Thats how I see it. You can run a gas heater off a butane bottle so i can't see why you can't do exactly the same with a gas hob.


Don't fancy a electric hob as it needs electricty which we don't have 365 days a year


As to moving gas bottle around I am talking about the little blue ones which are about 2ft tall and wiegh 30kg roughly

As to expense we had a propane bottle outside our old house and we had to change it twice a year at the vast expense of about 30pounds.

[thinfourth2]

Inkyfingers said:

All gas bottles like that will come with a label saying that they must not be stored inside a house, and your home insurer definitely will not like it. See this link: http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/51/original/using...

But thats propane

I'm talking butane

[russ_a]

Fit an induction hob instead

[anonymous-user]

thinfourth2 said:

Inkyfingers said:

All gas bottles like that will come with a label saying that they must not be stored inside a house, and your home insurer definitely will not like it. See this link: http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/51/original/using...

But thats propane

I'm talking butane

I'm no expert so might be different, but I would most definitely talk to your insurance company still

[thinfourth2]

russ_a said:

Fit an induction hob instead

Yeah thats a brilliant idea

It is more difficult to fit as i have to smash up the floor, cut a channel into the concrete, change out the consumer unit so i can fit a larger one to accomdate a cooker breaker, relay the floor and even better it won't work when we have a power cut.

With the added bonus of being worse to cook on and we don't want one.

[dickymint]

Inkyfingers said:

thinfourth2 said:

Inkyfingers said:

All gas bottles like that will come with a label saying that they must not be stored inside a house, and your home insurer definitely will not like it. See this link: http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/51/original/using...

But thats propane

I'm talking butane

I'm no expert so might be different, but I would most definitely talk to your insurance company still

I suppose it would make sense to let them know. But Butane is fine indoors as long as it's not used below ground level or near a cellar entrance etc or in a flat.

It's because LPG is heavier than air.

[thinfourth2]

dickymint said:

Inkyfingers said:

thinfourth2 said:

Inkyfingers said:

All gas bottles like that will come with a label saying that they must not be stored inside a house, and your home insurer definitely will not like it. See this link: http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/51/original/using...

But thats propane

I'm talking butane

I'm no expert so might be different, but I would most definitely talk to your insurance company still

I suppose it would make sense to let them know. But Butane is fine indoors as long as it's not used below ground level or near a cellar entrance etc or in a flat.

It's because LPG is heavier than air.

Well its none of those so it is possible then.


We are strongly leaning towards gas due to the hassle of putting in electric hobs plus power cut issue but mainly due the other half has an obsession with flambeing stuff and more then once she has dropped a match in the evening meal.

So we shall talk to insurance who will probably be confused and charge us double while reducing our cover

[anonymous-user]

thinfourth2 said:

So we shall talk to insurance who will probably be confused and charge us double while reducing our cover

I hate insurance companies, but in my opinion you can't put a price on peace of mind.

[Simpo Two]

thinfourth2 said:

Yeah thats a brilliant idea

It is more difficult to fit as i have to smash up the floor, cut a channel into the concrete, change out the consumer unit so i can fit a larger one to accomdate a cooker breaker, relay the floor and even better it won't work when we have a power cut.

Indeed, running electricity to the island is no easier than running gas.

thinfourth2 said:

With the added bonus of being worse to cook on and we don't want one.

Ah well, you carry in living in the stone age then

Basically you can have possibly-illegal uninsurable bodge with a Calor Gas cylinder right under some very hot things, or you can do it properly and dig the bloody floor up.

[zaphod42]

Simpo Two said:

Basically you can have possibly-illegal uninsurable bodge with a Calor Gas cylinder right under some very hot things, or you can do it properly and dig the bloody floor up.

Or, as advised further up, call a Corgi LPG expert (LPG can refer to Propane or Butane) and ask them... they will know the current regs in detail..

[thinfourth2]

Simpo Two said:

thinfourth2 said:

Yeah thats a brilliant idea

It is more difficult to fit as i have to smash up the floor, cut a channel into the concrete, change out the consumer unit so i can fit a larger one to accomdate a cooker breaker, relay the floor and even better it won't work when we have a power cut.

Indeed, running electricity to the island is no easier than running gas.

Actually running in electricity is harder then running in gas

But if gas ain't posible we shall not bother with any hob unless we decide to attack the floor in which case we run all services to the island

[Chrisgr31]

Do you really want a gas bottle in your kitchen? What's the worst that could happen? The fire brigade really are not going to thank you if there is a fire with a gas bottle inside. They'll probably be unwilling to enter the house in the event of a fire.