Porsche 911-930 SSE or 348ts
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[pedanton]The supersport is not a 930, 930s are the turbos[pedantoff]
Given the above I would be amazed if it would make enough to get into a 355, about £25K tops I would have thought for a really good one.
If it was a 930 then you might stand a chance at a 355.
Personlly I really like the 348 looks wise and would struggle to choose between that and a 355. I would be surprise if the Ferrari was a safe a bet, but then apparently it could be possible to run one on 911 money.
Difficult choice, not sure which way I would go.
Given the above I would be amazed if it would make enough to get into a 355, about £25K tops I would have thought for a really good one.
If it was a 930 then you might stand a chance at a 355.
Personlly I really like the 348 looks wise and would struggle to choose between that and a 355. I would be surprise if the Ferrari was a safe a bet, but then apparently it could be possible to run one on 911 money.
Difficult choice, not sure which way I would go.
If you're not bothered about value, scratch the itch. From a one time Porsche fanatic(still am to a certain extent), Ferraris are a lot of fun 
Must be difficult to consider losing the Supersport though, lovely. Wouldn't have thought running costs would be to different, particularly with the turbo bits on the SSE to maintain.
Must be difficult to consider losing the Supersport though, lovely. Wouldn't have thought running costs would be to different, particularly with the turbo bits on the SSE to maintain.
supersport][pedanton said:
The supersport is not a 930, 930s are the turbos[pedantoff]
Given the above I would be amazed if it would make enough to get into a 355, about £25K tops I would have thought for a really good one.
If it was a 930 then you might stand a chance at a 355.
Personlly I really like the 348 looks wise and would struggle to choose between that and a 355. I would be surprise if the Ferrari was a safe a bet, but then apparently it could be possible to run one on 911 money.
Difficult choice, not sure which way I would go.
I saw in his posting referenced as a 930....and thus made the assumption that the car was an SE...which came with "flat front" or normal...correct?....Given the above I would be amazed if it would make enough to get into a 355, about £25K tops I would have thought for a really good one.
If it was a 930 then you might stand a chance at a 355.
Personlly I really like the 348 looks wise and would struggle to choose between that and a 355. I would be surprise if the Ferrari was a safe a bet, but then apparently it could be possible to run one on 911 money.
Difficult choice, not sure which way I would go.
As you say - SSE is NOT 930 - it's 911 designation....
Can you run a Ferrari on 911 money? Not really...but you CAN buy a 355 for £25k
RVVUNM said:
Put it this way, I have a 930 and my mate has a 348, in the last 2 years he has spent over £3000 keeping it going and I've spent jack (bar servicing).
Hi Mark long time no see, hope all is well with the kidsOK I can give you a breakdown of what I have spent since Feb 09. Paid £22k for the car (which was at the last economic downturn)with 37000 miles on from a dealer.
It had just had belts changed so expensive service done prior to collection.
2009 no expense at all (couple of issues in the first 6 months but covered under warranty)
2010 Service at Dick Lovetts Swindon £595 (Staff rate as work for them but indy's approx the same). Engine tune, throttle cable and gearbox linkage adjustment and wheel refurbs circa £600
During 2010 2900 miles travelled around Europe without a hitch
2011 Slave cylinder packed up. New cylinder, clutch (as 70% worn),gearbox fluid change, CV boot as split and a few little items and minor service £3500 again at Lovetts (This price could be cheaper at an Indy but convenience for me was a factor).
CAr now has 47000 miles and total cost = £4700 for 3 years so £1600 p/a which I don't consider bad for a ferrari. This obviously doesnt include tax/mot/insurance or fuel but that is no different to the 993 I had before.
Hope this helps.
PS Ensure it has a sports exhaust
rubystone said:
Can you run a Ferrari on 911 money? Not really...but you CAN buy a 355 for £25k
Not sure about a 355 for £25k. I have been following the adverts for 2 years and the cheapest straight one I have seen was on PH not long ago for £27500. It was silver with high mileage and didn't hang around long. Most seem to be around £32-£35 at non specialist places.And the reason I lurk is because I waant one
but will wait to see what happens in the world before I invest in oneI owned a classic 911 (964) for almost 10 years - I sold it during the summer and bought a 348TS at the start of August.
My 964 was a good car - but it was not fault free. I did relatively few miles in it over the last 4-5 years but it still needed a few things sorting - the most expensive of which was probably a new alternator a couple of years ago. However, expense wise there were not many horrible surprises.
I sold it because I was barely using it (I also have a 996 turbo) and even when I did use it, it was more because I felt I "should".
I had concerns about the Ferrari being a fragile money pit - and I suppose it might still turn out to be - but so far, I've been very pleasantly surprised. I bought a good one, from a respected dealer. In 2 months, I covered just over 2k miles. When I bought the car, a couple of wires were broken at the door connector (common problem) - easy, cheap fix.
A few weeks ago, I had a coolant leak - which turned out to be a snapped drain plug at the radiator. Amazed it didn't leak for the previous 2k miles - but was the kind of thing I could have found on any car, not just a Ferrari. Again, an easy cheap fix.
So, in 2k miles - I've been very surprised. Other than the two points above which I consider minor - nothing has broken, everything still seems to work and the car feels pretty solid.
I am expecting the servicing to cost more than the 964 - because it is a simple fact that Ferrari parts do cost more. But I half expected something to break every other week, and that's definitely not the case so far.
I am still undecided how long I will keep it. I do think it's a great car, and the reaction when you drive it is something I've never experienced before. Plus, it's very beautiful - and I get to say I own a Ferrari. On the other hand - I do love my turbo, and it does pretty much everything better than the Ferrari (which you'd expect given the age difference). So currently, I'm not sure if I will own it long term - I'll decide next spring / summer. I have no regrets about buying it though - I made the right purchase, it's made me realise the cars are not as fragile as I thought and I've scratched the itch.
Oh - one minor comment - crema leather is a nightmare. All you have to do is look at the seat, say "I'm about to get in wearing jeans" - and it needs cleaning....
My 964 was a good car - but it was not fault free. I did relatively few miles in it over the last 4-5 years but it still needed a few things sorting - the most expensive of which was probably a new alternator a couple of years ago. However, expense wise there were not many horrible surprises.
I sold it because I was barely using it (I also have a 996 turbo) and even when I did use it, it was more because I felt I "should".
I had concerns about the Ferrari being a fragile money pit - and I suppose it might still turn out to be - but so far, I've been very pleasantly surprised. I bought a good one, from a respected dealer. In 2 months, I covered just over 2k miles. When I bought the car, a couple of wires were broken at the door connector (common problem) - easy, cheap fix.
A few weeks ago, I had a coolant leak - which turned out to be a snapped drain plug at the radiator. Amazed it didn't leak for the previous 2k miles - but was the kind of thing I could have found on any car, not just a Ferrari. Again, an easy cheap fix.
So, in 2k miles - I've been very surprised. Other than the two points above which I consider minor - nothing has broken, everything still seems to work and the car feels pretty solid.
I am expecting the servicing to cost more than the 964 - because it is a simple fact that Ferrari parts do cost more. But I half expected something to break every other week, and that's definitely not the case so far.
I am still undecided how long I will keep it. I do think it's a great car, and the reaction when you drive it is something I've never experienced before. Plus, it's very beautiful - and I get to say I own a Ferrari. On the other hand - I do love my turbo, and it does pretty much everything better than the Ferrari (which you'd expect given the age difference). So currently, I'm not sure if I will own it long term - I'll decide next spring / summer. I have no regrets about buying it though - I made the right purchase, it's made me realise the cars are not as fragile as I thought and I've scratched the itch.
Oh - one minor comment - crema leather is a nightmare. All you have to do is look at the seat, say "I'm about to get in wearing jeans" - and it needs cleaning....
Mike,
I have had a 911 3.2 Carrera which I loved and took it on PHeads MegaHoon 2006 down to Monaco and round the southern Alps. It was the one car I should probably never have sold.
I had a 348 Spider before that and took it on the inaugural Megahoon 04, 3000 around Europe and the Alps. Great car and only sold as I thought I needed to for a property.
I then got another 348 (TB) and had that over two years until I accidentally parked it in a field.
The 911 is the best "all round" sports car in the world. Few people will argue with that. The Ferrari is a totally different, in characteristic and background. It is built with passion and heart, not white coats and science.
As far as Ferraris go, the 348 is pretty simple and robust. You need an engine out full service every three years or 24-30k miles which is about £1500, then and annual which should be about £500.
Smash a front fog light unit though and it will cost you about £800! There are not as many Ferraris in the breakers yards as 911s.
Neither model is better than the other, they are just different.
I love the older Ferraris and currently have a Testarossa. I will have another 348 Spider at some point though, just like I'll probably have a 930 Turbo
Enjoy your predicament and, buy the best car your budget will stand.
al
I have had a 911 3.2 Carrera which I loved and took it on PHeads MegaHoon 2006 down to Monaco and round the southern Alps. It was the one car I should probably never have sold.
I had a 348 Spider before that and took it on the inaugural Megahoon 04, 3000 around Europe and the Alps. Great car and only sold as I thought I needed to for a property.
I then got another 348 (TB) and had that over two years until I accidentally parked it in a field.
The 911 is the best "all round" sports car in the world. Few people will argue with that. The Ferrari is a totally different, in characteristic and background. It is built with passion and heart, not white coats and science.
As far as Ferraris go, the 348 is pretty simple and robust. You need an engine out full service every three years or 24-30k miles which is about £1500, then and annual which should be about £500.
Smash a front fog light unit though and it will cost you about £800! There are not as many Ferraris in the breakers yards as 911s.
Neither model is better than the other, they are just different.
I love the older Ferraris and currently have a Testarossa. I will have another 348 Spider at some point though, just like I'll probably have a 930 Turbo
Enjoy your predicament and, buy the best car your budget will stand.
al
burriana said:
The 911 is the best "all round" sports car in the world. Few people will argue with that. The Ferrari is a totally different, in characteristic and background. It is built with passion and heart, not white coats and science.
This is an excellent point, and it really is something immediately obvious when you buy one. It just "feels" different as soon as you sit in it. Style / passion came first, functional came second. As for the fog light price - forget that. Buy a TS, then check out the Ferrari price for a door seal.
Agree with some of the comments here - 348 is an all together different propositon to the Porsche. You get the feeling of owning a real 'Exotic' at a really reasonable purchace price. They're reliable, but 3k p/a is realistic for proper mainainace due to the age of them now.
If you want to be the fastest out there, then both 348/355 are not the best choice - there are much faster things for the money.
355 more usable - 348 raw and less comprimising. For me the 348 has more of the supercar feel, & looks better. That entitley personal thing though.
If you want to be the fastest out there, then both 348/355 are not the best choice - there are much faster things for the money.
355 more usable - 348 raw and less comprimising. For me the 348 has more of the supercar feel, & looks better. That entitley personal thing though.
I've had a 911 SSE and a 348GTS & 355GTS so reasonably qualified to comment.
I'd have the 911 back in a heartbeat. My 348 was fantastic, super reliable and didnt cost a fortune but I did buy well and was lucky. The 355 amazingly I didnt love.
The Ferrari was something i had to do, ticking off the list and Im really glad i did, but search well first if you decide to go for it.
good luck, nice choices to have
I'd have the 911 back in a heartbeat. My 348 was fantastic, super reliable and didnt cost a fortune but I did buy well and was lucky. The 355 amazingly I didnt love.
The Ferrari was something i had to do, ticking off the list and Im really glad i did, but search well first if you decide to go for it.
good luck, nice choices to have
Foundy said:
RVVUNM said:
Put it this way, I have a 930 and my mate has a 348, in the last 2 years he has spent over £3000 keeping it going and I've spent jack (bar servicing).
Hi Mark long time no see, hope all is well with the kidsOK I can give you a breakdown of what I have spent since Feb 09. Paid £22k for the car (which was at the last economic downturn)with 37000 miles on from a dealer.
It had just had belts changed so expensive service done prior to collection.
2009 no expense at all (couple of issues in the first 6 months but covered under warranty)
2010 Service at Dick Lovetts Swindon £595 (Staff rate as work for them but indy's approx the same). Engine tune, throttle cable and gearbox linkage adjustment and wheel refurbs circa £600
During 2010 2900 miles travelled around Europe without a hitch
2011 Slave cylinder packed up. New cylinder, clutch (as 70% worn),gearbox fluid change, CV boot as split and a few little items and minor service £3500 again at Lovetts (This price could be cheaper at an Indy but convenience for me was a factor).
CAr now has 47000 miles and total cost = £4700 for 3 years so £1600 p/a which I don't consider bad for a ferrari. This obviously doesnt include tax/mot/insurance or fuel but that is no different to the 993 I had before.
Hope this helps.
PS Ensure it has a sports exhaust
I don't think we will ever resolve our Beetle v Fiat banter, but hay ho that's life. One thing you do mention though is the sense of occasion when your out and about, which I agree with. Oh, and the kids are fine, plus my new garage is finished.
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