944 vs 924 handling characteristics.
Discussion
I'm looking for a car for track days and for drifting days (coneheads) and have seen the blue 924 advertised in the road going track day cars in the PH classified.
I have a 944 lux as my every day car and when pushed hard the handling is very neutral with no oversteer at all. This is great for a daily road car and obviously great for speed around a circuit but it's not what I'm after.
Is the handling on a 924 such as the one advertised going to be more of the same or is it a different set up which will give me more opportunity to get the back out on a coneheads drifting day?
Thanks,
Mark
I have a 944 lux as my every day car and when pushed hard the handling is very neutral with no oversteer at all. This is great for a daily road car and obviously great for speed around a circuit but it's not what I'm after.
Is the handling on a 924 such as the one advertised going to be more of the same or is it a different set up which will give me more opportunity to get the back out on a coneheads drifting day?
Thanks,
Mark
i have a 924S as a daily car. the character is exactly like you described your 944. i have not yet been able to flick the back end out, maybe i am not being brave enough but i suspect that it doesn't have quite enough power to overcome the weight/grip at the back end.
saying that though, it is my first porsche, is in good condition, 70k miles, FSH, was cheap and fantastic value for money.
best wait until some of the "forum boffins" answer to get the best advice.
saying that though, it is my first porsche, is in good condition, 70k miles, FSH, was cheap and fantastic value for money.
best wait until some of the "forum boffins" answer to get the best advice.
I'm amazed you cant get your 44 to over steer ? Even in un modified form mine would oversteer if provoked. Admitedly it wasnt nice, it would lurch then slide (and roll like a cruise liner in a force ten!) then it would grip again unexpectedly.
Mine improved a lot when I first of all had the rear suspension arms adjusted to sit the car level (it had been a bit arse in the air befor). Then I had an MO30 adjustable anti roll bar fitted to the rear.
Now its superb in the dry very controlable, the tail jinks out and slides in a nice flat predicable manner. In the wet its a bit lethal ! Think I'm going to have to reset the arb back to its softest setting, dont want to end up spearing off the road backwards.
I've been fortunate I've found all the adjustment I need without disturbing the torsion bars, to get these adjusted is either expensive or very time consuming.
Mine improved a lot when I first of all had the rear suspension arms adjusted to sit the car level (it had been a bit arse in the air befor). Then I had an MO30 adjustable anti roll bar fitted to the rear.
Now its superb in the dry very controlable, the tail jinks out and slides in a nice flat predicable manner. In the wet its a bit lethal ! Think I'm going to have to reset the arb back to its softest setting, dont want to end up spearing off the road backwards.
I've been fortunate I've found all the adjustment I need without disturbing the torsion bars, to get these adjusted is either expensive or very time consuming.
interloper said:I know we've spoken about the rear roll bar before and as standard mine won't naturally go into a rear oriented drift at speed but all 4 wheel will drift which is nice. I think the car is overtyred personally but on the limit when I try to provoke it the rear outside tyre feels like it's tucking under and the resulting slide is more like a series of bunny hops.
I'm amazed you cant get your 44 to over steer ? Even in un modified form mine would oversteer if provoked. Admitedly it wasnt nice, it would lurch then slide (and roll like a cruise liner in a force ten!) then it would grip again unexpectedly.
I'm somewhat reluctant to push it any harder as when the back has snapped out it doesn't do it in a comfortable progressive way but in a way that demands instant correction because it feels like I'm going to exit backwards if I don't.
The thing I liked about my westfield is that you could simply provoke a smooth slide simply by appying more power. The thing I didn't like was that my hand would jam against my knee causing me to run out of opposite lock early.
I'm not too concerned about getting the 944 to any state where it will slide controllably as it's my daily driver but any car I by purely for fun I'd prefer if it was happy with me provoking slides like this while feeling comfortable. Speaking to the owner of the 924 this afternoon is sounds a lot more sorted than my 944 (as you'd expect) and more like what I'm after.
Anyway, I'm off to see an rs2000 tomorrow and depending on how that goes may make an appointment to see the 924 some time soon.
Cheers,
Mark
Dern, dont really thik for drift days that 924 is the best choice for you, prob ace fun on track days, but not really enough power/torque for drifting like say an old 325i E30 bimmer. The balance is not really set up for arse out fun & depending how the owner had set it up as present I reckon you will have to mess with ARB settings & put skinny rubber on the back to really get it out.
Never really got the arse out on my Lux either, just nice drifts. S2 much better in that respect but still leauges away from old bimmers. LSD equipped turbo is obiously the most tail happy of the bunch.
Also you might want to drive a 924 2.0, the engine is not a gem, the 2.5 lump in comparison is a slilky smooth Ferrai V12 powerplant!
Think that blue car is a grand over priced too....
Never really got the arse out on my Lux either, just nice drifts. S2 much better in that respect but still leauges away from old bimmers. LSD equipped turbo is obiously the most tail happy of the bunch.
Also you might want to drive a 924 2.0, the engine is not a gem, the 2.5 lump in comparison is a slilky smooth Ferrai V12 powerplant!
Think that blue car is a grand over priced too....
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