Local Residents dictate scam locations
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I heard about this from a guy at work, and dontlift via another thread ( thanks dontlift )
Whats next laser wielding grannies?
when will this nightmare end
I heard about this from a guy at work, and dontlift via another thread ( thanks dontlift )
Whats next laser wielding grannies?
when will this nightmare end
Already has for me. My plate's only 165mmx75mm on the bike now. I don't ride about like a speed merchant, but chances of actually getting my number at the roadside are almost zero.
I know the BiB will say that deserves a pull, but there have to be BiB out there first. Sorry folks, but automation really isn't that smart.
I know it's illegal, but it's only a £30 fine and no points, so why should I care? My livelihood and family are protected and no-one suffers. The "What happens if your vehicle is stolen" arguement isn't much use here either, as I have never had one found yet!
Why should I put a bigger plate on? Discuss
I know the BiB will say that deserves a pull, but there have to be BiB out there first. Sorry folks, but automation really isn't that smart.
I know it's illegal, but it's only a £30 fine and no points, so why should I care? My livelihood and family are protected and no-one suffers. The "What happens if your vehicle is stolen" arguement isn't much use here either, as I have never had one found yet!
Why should I put a bigger plate on? Discuss
BliarOut said:
Already has for me. My plate's only 165mmx75mm on the bike now. I don't ride about like a speed merchant, but chances of actually getting my number at the roadside are almost zero.
I know the BiB will say that deserves a pull, but there have to be BiB out there first. Sorry folks, but automation really isn't that smart.
I know it's illegal, but it's only a £30 fine and no points, so why should I care? My livelihood and family are protected and no-one suffers. The "What happens if your vehicle is stolen" arguement isn't much use here either, as I have never had one found yet!
Why should I put a bigger plate on? Discuss
You sure you posted this on the right thread chap???
dontlift said:
Some forces are already allowing local areas to purchase laser wotsits and don the yellow jackets IIRC
Yup, Somerset and Avon do. I've seen three different teams around my area, (Cheddar, Winscombe and Barrow-Gurney). I think you only get a letter telling you how bad you've been and if you keep doing it the local Police will target you. Quite what that means I don't know but there is no local Police where I live!
BliarOut said:
Already has for me. My plate's only 165mmx75mm on the bike now. I don't ride about like a speed merchant, but chances of actually getting my number at the roadside are almost zero.
I know the BiB will say that deserves a pull, but there have to be BiB out there first. Sorry folks, but automation really isn't that smart.
I know it's illegal, but it's only a £30 fine and no points, so why should I care? My livelihood and family are protected and no-one suffers. The "What happens if your vehicle is stolen" arguement isn't much use here either, as I have never had one found yet!
Why should I put a bigger plate on? Discuss
Are you absolutely sure about the points Bliarout? If so, seems like a good idea. I dont see BiB on my run much anymore, so maybe
cumbriasafetycameras.org said:Yet further down,
....are not intended to be hidden from view....
.....The cameras will not be covert....
cumbriasafetycameras.org said:Lasers from a police vehicle sounds pretty well hidden to me!
...which uses lasers and is fixed on a tripod or in a police vehicle....
The munter that posted the reply does not know a thing. I'm sure BiB on here will agree that a great number of the people who are DUI will absolutely adhere to the limit to attempt to reduce the chance of being done for it. This method won't do a thing against stolen vehicles, unless they are driving at so recklessly that the copper gives chase. Also Won't help against speeders with false plates.
I take it this is on the back of the recent legislation re:-
1.Nervous granny phones police about speeder
2.Police turn up ( funny that )
3.Police caution
4.Offender repeats
5.Another resident complains
6.Police call round and can impound offending vehicle
If this isn't becoming ( become ) a police state then I don't know what is. Not saying that noisy scrotes shouldn't be apprehended, but allowing civvies to be involved???!!!
P.S. Will the police caution one of my neighbours for using a circular saw early every day ( oops env health....Bib not interested)
>> Edited by blademan on Tuesday 22 June 13:56
1.Nervous granny phones police about speeder
2.Police turn up ( funny that )
3.Police caution
4.Offender repeats
5.Another resident complains
6.Police call round and can impound offending vehicle
If this isn't becoming ( become ) a police state then I don't know what is. Not saying that noisy scrotes shouldn't be apprehended, but allowing civvies to be involved???!!!
P.S. Will the police caution one of my neighbours for using a circular saw early every day ( oops env health....Bib not interested)
>> Edited by blademan on Tuesday 22 June 13:56
dontlift said:
Some forces are already allowing local areas to purchase laser wotsits and don the yellow jackets IIRC
Cheshire have just started this 'community speedwatch' too. Local news ran a piece on it last night that demonstrated perfectly why its such a stupid idea. Couple of pensioners (retired doctors iirc) with a laser gun, zapping the cars that come past. Until the guy with the gun stops to wave and smile instead... He then says its one of his colleagues and they play golf together. Whats the betting his number wouldn't be going in the book then?
blademan said:
Are there any BiB logged on with an opinion on this thread?
I saw the intro to the news article d-man was referring to, but didn't see the article itself.
My own opinion is that non Police (or non civilian camera operators) shouldn't be using them. If speed is such a problem at a specific geographic location, then the local council can survey the traffic speeds very easily, and very accurately, by the use of "golden river".
If this then confirms that there is a problem with traffic exceeding the speed limit at that location, then it should be dealt with by Police, fixed or mobile cameras/enforcement.
What Health and Safety/risk assessment training have these people had? A yellow coat doesn't make you invincible.
What checks and balances are there on the operator's use of the equipment? When I use the mobile van, I have to carry out a number of checks, which are all recorded (on site logs, my pocket note book, and the video).
What happens when an irate motorist gets out and wallops one of these people? More Police time spent investigating that offence, rather than going to the burglary that's just been reported.
Who controls them? What if they have it in for someone - 'Ooh, there's that flash Harry, write his number down George...'
What if they make a genuine mistake, either with the laser, or write the number down wrong?
Where are the Police going to beam down from to go and warn the "offenders"? We're short enough on numbers and time as it is.
blademan said:
Do you think the mindset of the instigators... are similar to the locals who want more scameras, only to get scammed themselves.
Possibly. With the "Community Concern" speed enforcement sites (quite a lot of which, I have to say, I think are in the right place - schools, small villages without footpaths etc etc), there's a lot of NIMBYism involved.
Funnily enough, I was at one site the other week, and potted someone for 49 in a 30 (near school, 3.30pm), who then came over to rent at me that he shouldn't get done because:
(a) He had asked for enforcement near where he lived
(b) He had never been stopped before in 30 years' driving
(c) he was a local councillor who paid his taxes
AND
(d) He "knew" the Chief Super, and a "phone call will sort this all out".
Said gent is now proud owner of 6 points and is £150 or so worse off, because when the Chief Super didn't "sort" it, he elected trial at Magistrates' Court...
Dibble said:
Indeed, well said dibble glad to see the BiB feel the same way about this.
But see my post above - I think there are some appropriately placed enforcement sites.
Of course, there are plenty that are absolute bolcks...
Dibble
I am not BiB but you seem to be a well rounded person
( and no I dont mean waistline challenged )
Dibble said:
Do you think the mindset of the instigators... are similar to the locals who want more scameras, only to get scammed themselves.
Possibly. With the "Community Concern" speed enforcement sites (quite a lot of which, I have to say, I think are in the right place - schools, small villages without footpaths etc etc), there's a lot of NIMBYism involved.
Funnily enough, I was at one site the other week, and potted someone for 49 in a 30 (near school, 3.30pm), who then came over to rent at me that he shouldn't get done because:
(a) He had asked for enforcement near where he lived
(b) He had never been stopped before in 30 years' driving
(c) he was a local councillor who paid his taxes
AND
(d) He "knew" the Chief Super, and a "phone call will sort this all out".
Said gent is now proud owner of 6 points and is £150 or so worse off, because when the Chief Super didn't "sort" it, he elected trial at Magistrates' Court...
Totally agree.
Bl**dy glad to see the CS didn't "sort it out"
Dibble said:
Indeed, well said dibble glad to see the BiB feel the same way about this.
But see my post above - I think there are some appropriately placed enforcement sites.
Of course, there are plenty that are absolute bol
I did see your post above and i agree some enforcement sites are correct just feel that it is probably sub 5% of the total
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