Seamaster help needed
Seamaster help needed
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daveenty

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2,385 posts

241 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Newbie on this forum so please bear with me.

Just been pointed to an Omega Seamaster on the Bay.

It's HERE for those with knowledge of such things

Not being a watch connoisseur, I'd like to know if it looks genuine, and if it's worth the money as a long term keeper. I know it's probably a bit over the top for what it is, but there is a sentimental reason for this year and watch.

The seller seems fine, and I'll be phoning him at some stage today, but would like the opinion of those in the know beforehand.

All I have managed to work out with me frantic googling, is that the year may be a bit later than advertised as the calibre 491 was supposed to start in 1956, though again I'm very unsure of this.

Any help appreciated.




blueg33

46,850 posts

255 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Pics don't format correctly.

I bought a 1962 Seamaster via ebay. It looked great was presented like the watch you show, but turned out to be a frankenstein watch with the movement calibre not matching the case serial number. It cost me £150 but was reliable for 5 years)

I still wear it (well its broken at the moment as) and it looks great, but have since only bought watches whose provenance I can trace. I have also done some great deals on ebay where the watches were cheap but turned out to be great. An 18k Gold Tissot from 1948 is my favourite, bought for £80, original list price in 1948 was nearly £1k (I have seen the catalogue) and its worth about £1k now (so I am told)

Edited by blueg33 on Monday 7th November 08:45

RemainAllHoof

80,160 posts

313 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Does the seller have a physical shop? I'd be more likely to trust them if they did with something so rare.

daveenty

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241 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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blueg33 said:
Pics don't format correctly.

I bought a 1962 Seamaster via ebay. It looked great was presented like the watch you show, but turned out to be a frankenstein watch with the movement calibre not matching the case serial number.
Pics OK here? It's item number 230696301793 if this helps. The frankenstein bit is something I'm concerned about, though it seems OK so far.

blueg33 said:
I still wear it (well its broken at the moment as) and it looks great, but have since only bought watches whose provenance I can trace. I have also done some great deals on ebay where the watches were cheap but turned out to be great. An 18k Gold Tissot from 1948 is my favourite, bought for £80, original list price in 1948 was nearly £1k (I have seen the catalogue) and its worth about £1k now (so I am told)
I'm not lucky like that. frown

RemainAllHoof said:
Does the seller have a physical shop? I'd be more likely to trust them if they did with something so rare.
Yes he does, and over 1100 positive feedbacks (100% rating, mostly on stuff of a similar value) which, whilst not totally inspiring me with confidence, does give me a bit more of an insight. He also actively encourages visitors to his premises.

Edited by daveenty on Monday 7th November 08:50

RemainAllHoof

80,160 posts

313 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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As they say, buy the seller. Good luck getting further info. Let us know if you get it in the end. smile

PS I notice he has it for sale on one or two other antique sites.

blueg33

46,850 posts

255 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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I can see the pics properly now. Looks nice, think it should have the Seamaster logo on the outside of the case back, but maybe a bit too early for this.

I am sure they do have a shop, I have seen it a few years ago.

Looks like a nice watch, but is quite pricey for ebay. Not many auto's with a sub second dial, they were mostly manual winds

andy_s

19,857 posts

290 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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They look pucker, a quick google shows them appear in lots of antique websites, I don't know specifically about the watch you are looking at but some of their others are a bit optimistic, price-wise (a pre-moon 321 for £4.5k with service hands and no pic of the originals...?).
If you're happy with the price for yours though then that's all that matters on that front.

daveenty

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2,385 posts

241 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Thanks for the advice Darren, I appreciate what you mean about buy the seller...

And yes, it seems to be on several other places.

bry1975

1,246 posts

194 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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The dial looks very white is it a redial?
IMO £799 sounds a lot but I'm not an expert on that particular model.

Bry

Arrive Alive

282 posts

202 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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bry1975 said:
The dial looks very white is it a redial?

Bry
The advert says re-finished.
Personally I think its a lot of money.

bry1975

1,246 posts

194 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Arr thought so late night so eyes and brain not awake yet.

daveenty

Original Poster:

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241 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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I too think it's a little on the expensive side, but have spoken to the guy this morning and come up with a slightly better deal as I'm now buying it from his own website and not the auction place.(£700)

As blueg33 says, it's quite unusual with the sub - second dial, and a few other things mark it out as rarer than normal but I like it and will not be using it as a daily. (I need day and date displays for everyday use due to increasing memory lapses)

He seems a very pleasant guy, obviously in business to make money, but the watch is going to be a keeper for me and with the sellers attitude and warranty given I'm probably going to go ahead with the purchase.

Thanks very much for all the help.

sneijder

5,231 posts

265 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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I read that as 'Aftermarket crystal and strap, repainted dial, and possibly Aftermarket hands and markers. Also, any character or charm has been polished out of it '.

Compared to what you wear now, it'll be tiny by modern standards.

I suspect the market for these is inflated by folk who just want an Omega. I know this isn't you OP, it sounds like your dad had one, but I suggest if you buy the right one, the value will either hold or go up.

Omega are itching to lift the brand up to higher levels, and the new prices reflect this.

Buy right, and you'll be onto a winner. This will look so new it will look fake, you're not in a rush are you OP? The thrill is in the chase!

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Polished to within an inch of its life...

bry1975

1,246 posts

194 months

Monday 7th November 2011
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Over polished cases often resemble a 'sucked toffee'