Dinner suit shirts and bow-ties
Dinner suit shirts and bow-ties
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17,911 posts

249 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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It's time for a dinner suit to join my wardrobe - I'll be needing one for New Years Eve and for a wedding reception in January so have decided to buy instead of hire twice. I'm settled on a single breasted, one or two button jacket with the obligatory satin stripe trousers. There are just a couple of things I'm really unsure on though; what's the score these days with shirts? I want a fold down collar, but am unsure if deciding on whether to have a plain front or 'fluted' front is down to personal taste, fashion or whether there is an element of more formal ettiquette involved in which I choose?
Also, how easy is it to tie a bow-tie? I'd love a self-tie one but don't know the first thing about how simple, or hard it is to do.

Any advice would be spot-on, the question was asked quite recently but the above points weren't covered hence me starting this thread.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

261 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Don't worry, the usual PH bunch of Goks will be along shortly to tell you EXACTLY what you should and shouldn't be wearing.

Though unless you're going to get it tailored by the personal tailor of Col.Sir Arthur Wittlington-Smythe out of finest cotton woven by virgins on the banks of Lake Como and with a whale foreskin lining, they won't be happy.

NDA

25,788 posts

256 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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A plain white shirt is absolutely fine. The fancier it is, the more like a gypsy you look.

Bow ties are not difficult, practice doing them on your leg.

bigTee

5,546 posts

252 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Practice on your leg, or i used a 2 lt coke bottle!!

theironduke

6,995 posts

219 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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bigTee said:



Practice on your leg, or i used a 2 lt coke bottle!!
This. Being able to tie a bow tie is a skill every gentleman should have.

Wins you kudos with the ladies too wink

AyBee

11,351 posts

233 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Bought a bow-tie on Tuesday, had mastered it enough to wear it by Thursday, youtube and the internet helped smile

Council Baby

19,746 posts

221 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Bought a Tux yesterday, given the risk of losing the security deposit it made financial sense. Plain white shirt, they threw in a bow tie - it's a bloody clip one. How very very down market rolleyes

Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

258 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I've always used M&S on the basis that you don't have to spend a fortune, they last long enough, no-one can see what you're wearing as invariably they are worn in the dark, and they dry clean ok - which you'll need after you spill everything down them. Agree on the boe tie comments. It also allows you to untie it and "jauntily" hang it round your neck later in the evening.

g3org3y

22,520 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
I've always used M&S on the basis that you don't have to spend a fortune, they last long enough, no-one can see what you're wearing as invariably they are worn in the dark, and they dry clean ok - which you'll need after you spill everything down them. Agree on the boe tie comments. It also allows you to untie it and "jauntily" hang it round your neck later in the evening.
+1 on M&S. Decent quality, decent price. Their 'Sartorial' range of shirts are very good quality too.

Proper tied bow tie is an absolute must.

bigrich4

713 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Too jazzy?

iphonedyou

10,424 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Indeed, a self tied bow-tie really is a must. As are two satin stripes; one is so very American.

smile

Redmax

761 posts

244 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Fold-down collar, to answer that question.

Edit - sorry, you didn't actually ask that question, teach me to skim-read. As you were.

ewenm

28,506 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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theironduke said:
bigTee said:



Practice on your leg, or i used a 2 lt coke bottle!!
This. Being able to tie a bow tie is a skill every gentleman should have.

Wins you kudos with the ladies too wink
Given it's exactly the same knot as your shoelaces, I'd hope anyone could master it...

iphonedyou

10,424 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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ewenm said:
Given it's exactly the same knot as your shoelaces, I'd hope anyone could master it...
It's not just the tying. It's the making it not look like a bag of ste.

ewenm

28,506 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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iphonedyou said:
It's not just the tying. It's the making it not look like a bag of ste.
Like anything, you get better with practice.

OP - I know many people frown at coloured (non-black) bow ties but you might want to consider getting one that matches one of the colours in your partner's dress. Lots of brownie points available if you suggest it to her wink

Plain white or lightly "striped" shirt - set it off with some decent cufflinks. Frills are too much for me, but really it's you being comfortable, confident and happy in what you're wearing that is important.

Edited by ewenm on Thursday 10th November 14:05

Cotty

42,273 posts

315 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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theironduke said:
Wins you kudos with the ladies too wink
Like thats going to make a difference. I was chatting to an attractive blond lady last night when she introduced me to her girlfreind, not sure the ability to tie a bow tie would have change things much.

Cotty

42,273 posts

315 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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ewenm said:
OP - I know many people frown at coloured (non-black) bow ties but you might want to consider getting one that matches one of the colours in your partner's dress. Lots of brownie points available if you suggest it to her wink
Is that an American thing?

ewenm

28,506 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Cotty said:
ewenm said:
OP - I know many people frown at coloured (non-black) bow ties but you might want to consider getting one that matches one of the colours in your partner's dress. Lots of brownie points available if you suggest it to her wink
Is that an American thing?
The "frowning" or the "matching"?

The only time I've worn black tie in the USA I had my light-blue bow tie on but as it was a sporting dinner there was no frowning. At a black tie party in the UK, a bloke who had a tie matching his partner's dress received a lot of compliments from others.

Cotty

42,273 posts

315 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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the matching

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Tying a bow tie: can you tie a bow with your shoelaces? Same thing. Just close your eyes and think about how you tie a shoelace. The trick is once you have the basics, you have you even up the loops and the tails without undoing the knot. Hold the knot squished tight as you lengthen the tails and pull the loops to tighten the know. Repeat until done.

Shirt: Something with a starched waffle pattern front panel that takes shirt studs is the ticket.

Don't wear a belt with the trousers. If need be wear black button-on braces. Black cummerbund or low-cut black silk brocade waistcoat will help to disguise your shirt coming out of your trousers.