2011 997 GT2 RS, The science of speed.

[Slippydiff]

Apologies if this is a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

[GT Glee]

So the engine is in the right place.. but we already knew that

[Stedman]

That was good that was

TA!

[khushy]

put the engine in the wrong place - spend BILLIONS trying to rectify the basic laws of physics = FAIL!!!

[J-P]

I enjoyed that! I always thought it was pretty obvious that the engine isn't in the "wrong" place. It takes some getting used to but once you get the hang of it, you can get on the power, so early, it's almost scary! (Except it isn't because the new 911s are so benign and biddable, telegraphing every move through steering, brakes, throttle and chassis) - wonderful cars!

[tomw2000]

that is ace.

[bergmeister]

Nice one slippy
Most who say the engine is in the wrong place,do not appreciate its a clear bonus of the engine being in the correct place at the rear.

What the new cars do not do well is ," telegraphing every move through steering, brakes, throttle and chassis) "- wonderful cars!

[J-P]

bergmeister said:

What the new cars do not do well is ," telegraphing every move through steering, brakes, throttle and chassis) "- wonderful cars!

Well that's a matter of opinion and IMHO, they do telegraph precisely what they are doing (my GTS does at any rate, so I'd imagine all the GT cars are even better at this!

[Slippydiff]

J-P said:

bergmeister said:

What the new cars do not do well is ," telegraphing every move through steering, brakes, throttle and chassis) "- wonderful cars!

Well that's a matter of opinion and IMHO, they do telegraph precisely what they are doing (my GTS does at any rate, so I'd imagine all the GT cars are even better at this!

Hi J-P. Don't worry I'm not stalking you but a quick look at your profile and thence you previous cars, doesn't show any old Porsche metal at all.
Whilst I appreciate this doesn't necessarily mean you've not driven them, it begs the question, have you driven a well set up 996 GT3 (Mk 1 or RS) 964 RS, 993 RS, 2.7 RS etc etc ?

I think you might be tempted to re-appraise your thoughts regarding feel and feedback if you were to drive a well set up 964 RS/ Mk1 GT3 or RS back to back with your current drive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the GTS is anything other than a wonderful car/997, just that it may not be the last word in tactility you think it is

[J-P]

Slippydiff said:

J-P said:

bergmeister said:

What the new cars do not do well is ," telegraphing every move through steering, brakes, throttle and chassis) "- wonderful cars!

Well that's a matter of opinion and IMHO, they do telegraph precisely what they are doing (my GTS does at any rate, so I'd imagine all the GT cars are even better at this!

Hi J-P. Don't worry I'm not stalking you but a quick look at your profile and thence you previous cars, doesn't show any old Porsche metal at all.
Whilst I appreciate this doesn't necessarily mean you've not driven them, it begs the question, have you driven a well set up 996 GT3 (Mk 1 or RS) 964 RS, 993 RS, 2.7 RS etc etc ?

I think you might be tempted to re-appraise your thoughts regarding feel and feedback if you were to drive a well set up 964 RS/ Mk1 GT3 or RS back to back with your current drive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the GTS is anything other than a wonderful car/997, just that it may not be the last word in tactility you think it is

Ah! It's not the last word in tactility, old pork is definitely "better" in this regard but that doesn't mean that my car doesn't telegraph what it's doing, it might not have the same high level of communication as some older cars but it's still there in mine - I know this because I'm not an especially great or sensitive driver but even I can tell precisely what I need to do next to either maintain balance or induce a slide at the handling limit of my car - the issue is that you have to be going so damn fast to get there that it can be a little intimidating but it's communicating to me all of the time. I drove a Ferrari 328 a few years ago and that was absolutely lovely and much more touchy, feely than the 360 I had a go in - both nice motors though and just because the 328 had more feel, it didn't mean that the 360 didn't have any if you know what I mean. I inferred from the original post that the poster was saying my car doesn't telegraph what it's doing very well (perhaps wrongly) but IMHO it's not true - if a pretty ordinary driver like me can sense what's going on, then it must be there, no? Even if it's not as good as some of the older cars?

[all2ofme]

You're welcome to have a go in my yellow GT3 next time our paths cross, J-P. They're great cars. Different to your GTS in terms of feel rather than better, I think. They're all amazing vehicles.

Someone on here even intimated that mine had a heap more feel than his newly purchased 997 GT3 (mk1), which is saying something.

If I needed a car for more regular use there's no way I'd have mine over yours, though! Everything I've read about the GTS makes it sound like an outstanding middle ground.

[J-P]

all2ofme said:

You're welcome to have a go in my yellow GT3 next time our paths cross, J-P. They're great cars. Different to your GTS in terms of feel rather than better, I think. They're all amazing vehicles.

Someone on here even intimated that mine had a heap more feel than his newly purchased 997 GT3 (mk1), which is saying something.

If I needed a car for more regular use there's no way I'd have mine over yours, though! Everything I've read about the GTS makes it sound like an outstanding middle ground.

Mighty decent of you, chap I couldn't have your car over mine though because of the kids but I have to say it is gorgeous! Also, my car is fine at low speeds and it's steering is still nice and direct but it's only when you really are going for it (in sports mode) that it starts to come alive - I couldn't drive your car like that (it's not mine) and to be fair on the road, it would be dangerous!

But I literally cannot wait until the next opportunity to take it on track - in about 2 or 3 more days with full tuition, I'll get to a level that I'll be very happy with even if I still won't be a driving god!

[all2ofme]

Totally understand, though you won't need to drive mine quickly to feel the differences - luckily it's special at sensible speeds, too!

I've forced others to drive mine before, by the way, so be prepared for me when we next catch up :-)

[J-P]

all2ofme said:

Totally understand, though you won't need to drive mine quickly to feel the differences - luckily it's special at sensible speeds, too!

I've forced others to drive mine before, by the way, so be prepared for me when we next catch up :-)

Ok buddy! Sounds good