Range Rover Vogue Running Costs/ Buying Advice
Discussion
Hi Guys as some of you may know I was passenger in a car crash a couple of weeks ago and although I'm not out of hospital yet I'm already looking into what cars I can have when I'm out as I'm no longer going to be able to have a low car such as the TT or MX5 as a daily when I'm out (fractured spine requires me o wear a brace which will restrict my movement) so once again I'm calling on PH'ers advice!
I've always wanted a Range Rover and I contemplated one before when buying my Scirocco but at the time it wasn't feasible. Although I've cut my miles down I still do a reasonable amount - 40 mile round trip a day for work so I do have to think about mpg but not too much! Â But it does have to be diesel..
First off what do I go with a 2005 Vogue with the 3ltr Diesel? Or a Disco 3?Â
What's the general thoughts towards a vogue with a 3ltr diesel engine? Anything I should be aware of? Ie major service costs or common problems? What are the servicing costs like?
My budget will be about £12'000-£15'000 depending how much I sell my current cars for so it may be a case I save longer and get something better or the range I really want (2.7 sport but at present I can't see It happening anytime soon) if  people have reasons to avoid a 3ltr Vogue or recommend a Disco for my budget but that's why I'm on here!Â
Ive had a quick look with the limited Internet access I have and it would appear I'm looking at a vogue with Around 70'000 miles on the clock - from what it would appear this is nothing for a Range Rover?! They seem to run forever but I am concerned how much I'd have to spend to keep it running?!
Sorry for the noob questions but with limited Internet access and knowledge about range rover ownership I figured here would be a good place to start!Â
Cheers,
Andy
I've always wanted a Range Rover and I contemplated one before when buying my Scirocco but at the time it wasn't feasible. Although I've cut my miles down I still do a reasonable amount - 40 mile round trip a day for work so I do have to think about mpg but not too much! Â But it does have to be diesel..
First off what do I go with a 2005 Vogue with the 3ltr Diesel? Or a Disco 3?Â
What's the general thoughts towards a vogue with a 3ltr diesel engine? Anything I should be aware of? Ie major service costs or common problems? What are the servicing costs like?
My budget will be about £12'000-£15'000 depending how much I sell my current cars for so it may be a case I save longer and get something better or the range I really want (2.7 sport but at present I can't see It happening anytime soon) if  people have reasons to avoid a 3ltr Vogue or recommend a Disco for my budget but that's why I'm on here!Â
Ive had a quick look with the limited Internet access I have and it would appear I'm looking at a vogue with Around 70'000 miles on the clock - from what it would appear this is nothing for a Range Rover?! They seem to run forever but I am concerned how much I'd have to spend to keep it running?!
Sorry for the noob questions but with limited Internet access and knowledge about range rover ownership I figured here would be a good place to start!Â
Cheers,
Andy
Firstly, sorry to hear about the crash, but glad that you are on the mend.
A range rover will never be cheap to run if you wish to keep it on top form, the fuel economy from the td6 will be mid 20's, maybe low 30's on a run. They are slow as standard but an EGR blanking kit, and a decent remap brings a lot of benefit to it, this leads to the next issue.
The gearbox on them can be a weak link, if it fails, its £2-3k to replace but a oil flush is best for any box. The front diff should have been recalled by now and replaced with the upgraded design.
The interior is hard wearing but check all electrics work and that the boot is water leak free. There can be a leak which goes into the cd changer and sat nav electrics in the boot causing issues with them.
Air suspension can be problamatic if not fixed properly, bags can fail with age like any other part but should be replaced with good quality replacements, not cheap parts!
Otherwise, buy on condition and some cars that have been cared for properly can wear high miles very well. Personally i would look for a car with a large service history with reciepts for any work carried out/parts bought.
Hope this helps for far. I would also avoid cars with bodykits colour coded roof pillars and 22's, ruins the car imo.
A range rover will never be cheap to run if you wish to keep it on top form, the fuel economy from the td6 will be mid 20's, maybe low 30's on a run. They are slow as standard but an EGR blanking kit, and a decent remap brings a lot of benefit to it, this leads to the next issue.
The gearbox on them can be a weak link, if it fails, its £2-3k to replace but a oil flush is best for any box. The front diff should have been recalled by now and replaced with the upgraded design.
The interior is hard wearing but check all electrics work and that the boot is water leak free. There can be a leak which goes into the cd changer and sat nav electrics in the boot causing issues with them.
Air suspension can be problamatic if not fixed properly, bags can fail with age like any other part but should be replaced with good quality replacements, not cheap parts!
Otherwise, buy on condition and some cars that have been cared for properly can wear high miles very well. Personally i would look for a car with a large service history with reciepts for any work carried out/parts bought.
Hope this helps for far. I would also avoid cars with bodykits colour coded roof pillars and 22's, ruins the car imo.
A.J.M said:
Firstly, sorry to hear about the crash, but glad that you are on the mend.
A range rover will never be cheap to run if you wish to keep it on top form, the fuel economy from the td6 will be mid 20's, maybe low 30's on a run. They are slow as standard but an EGR blanking kit, and a decent remap brings a lot of benefit to it, this leads to the next issue.
The gearbox on them can be a weak link, if it fails, its £2-3k to replace but a oil flush is best for any box. The front diff should have been recalled by now and replaced with the upgraded design.
The interior is hard wearing but check all electrics work and that the boot is water leak free. There can be a leak which goes into the cd changer and sat nav electrics in the boot causing issues with them.
Air suspension can be problamatic if not fixed properly, bags can fail with age like any other part but should be replaced with good quality replacements, not cheap parts!
Good to see Land Rover are still building a quality product....Or Not. Changing the turbo on the Disco is also a body off job too!!A range rover will never be cheap to run if you wish to keep it on top form, the fuel economy from the td6 will be mid 20's, maybe low 30's on a run. They are slow as standard but an EGR blanking kit, and a decent remap brings a lot of benefit to it, this leads to the next issue.
The gearbox on them can be a weak link, if it fails, its £2-3k to replace but a oil flush is best for any box. The front diff should have been recalled by now and replaced with the upgraded design.
The interior is hard wearing but check all electrics work and that the boot is water leak free. There can be a leak which goes into the cd changer and sat nav electrics in the boot causing issues with them.
Air suspension can be problamatic if not fixed properly, bags can fail with age like any other part but should be replaced with good quality replacements, not cheap parts!
OP: Sorry to hear about the accident. If you do go down the LR route, make sure you get the best warranty you can.
bakerstreet said:
Good to see Land Rover are still building a quality product....Or Not. Changing the turbo on the Disco is also a body off job too!!
OP: Sorry to hear about the accident. If you do go down the LR route, make sure you get the best warranty you can.
They have thier issues like any other car, Vw Tourag's have flakey issues as well.OP: Sorry to hear about the accident. If you do go down the LR route, make sure you get the best warranty you can.
The body off the disco is easy though, 8 bolts iirc and unclip a few wiring harnesses. Raise the whole body off to get perfct access. Then lower down on the ramps again.
Simple idea that sounds scary but in practice is straight forward.
What they say. However, on the subject of backs, it depends whether the brace will be permanent. I had a back injury requiring orthopaedic (wahey, automatic spell checker) surgery several years ago. Eventually, I regained about 90% performance. I appreciate all injuries are different but a 911 is manageable these days for a couple of hours at a go. You will certainly have no problems with a Rangie.
bakerstreet said:
Simon T said:
Get a RR Sport With the twin Turbo V8 Diesel. superb car, 25 mpg and 130 mph, go anywhere in comfort
Simon
Also sounds pretty good for a diesel too Simon
jdw1234 said:
Aren't the pre 2005 L322s much more comfortable.
I think this is because the front seats are 7 series BMW derived whereas the later ones lost some comfort to accomodate airbags.
Yes, the earlier Vogues had what were (I think) called "comfort" seats which mean you can angle the top half of the seat back separately from the bottom half. Lovely! Ours was such a nice place to sit on a long journey and this certainly helped a little. But a later L322 could barely be called uncomfortable I think this is because the front seats are 7 series BMW derived whereas the later ones lost some comfort to accomodate airbags.
Ruari
Having run a 'face lift' TD6 2005 model ... for last 3 years & 40,000 miles .... I have not had any problems ... I have had routine services & a set of pads .... front tyres seem to last 25,000 miles & had to replace rear set as the steel belt slipped inside the casing in the cold winter period.
The car did have a new gearbox at purchase which is the arcilles heel of this model as the TD6 is a quiet robust engine.
Car seems to average about 24 mpg.
The car did have a new gearbox at purchase which is the arcilles heel of this model as the TD6 is a quiet robust engine.
Car seems to average about 24 mpg.
A.J.M said:
They have thier issues like any other car, Vw Tourag's have flakey issues as well.
The body off the disco is easy though, 8 bolts iirc and unclip a few wiring harnesses. Raise the whole body off to get perfct access. Then lower down on the ramps again.
Simple idea that sounds scary but in practice is straight forward.
Just listen to your self. You have to take the bodyu off to get at the turbo! You can't sit there witha straight face and say thats a simple job. I've also heard that its a body off job for the cam belt too on the TDV6. Haven't had that confirmed though. The body off the disco is easy though, 8 bolts iirc and unclip a few wiring harnesses. Raise the whole body off to get perfct access. Then lower down on the ramps again.
Simple idea that sounds scary but in practice is straight forward.
It may be straight forward, but the labour is pretty high. I think LR quote 15 hours for a turbo replacement. Friend of mine has said its a day in reality.
My old MD had a RRS TDV8 and I drove thata couple of times and thought it was pretty good, but that had its faults. Two alternators in three years and the locks have been a nightmare. It became quite comical. You'd be in Tescos with all your shopping and the car would only unlock one door or similar. Didn't think much of the interior, but the current one is lovely.
The big range is much more graceful to look at IMO.
bakerstreet said:
Just listen to your self. You have to take the bodyu off to get at the turbo! You can't sit there witha straight face and say thats a simple job. I've also heard that its a body off job for the cam belt too on the TDV6. Haven't had that confirmed though.
It may be straight forward, but the labour is pretty high. I think LR quote 15 hours for a turbo replacement. Friend of mine has said its a day in reality.
My old MD had a RRS TDV8 and I drove thata couple of times and thought it was pretty good, but that had its faults. Two alternators in three years and the locks have been a nightmare. It became quite comical. You'd be in Tescos with all your shopping and the car would only unlock one door or similar. Didn't think much of the interior, but the current one is lovely.
The big range is much more graceful to look at IMO.
I can confirm that you can do the belts from underneigh the car and it only takes a few hours to do. Im sure the turbo can be changed as well without taking the body off. It may be straight forward, but the labour is pretty high. I think LR quote 15 hours for a turbo replacement. Friend of mine has said its a day in reality.
My old MD had a RRS TDV8 and I drove thata couple of times and thought it was pretty good, but that had its faults. Two alternators in three years and the locks have been a nightmare. It became quite comical. You'd be in Tescos with all your shopping and the car would only unlock one door or similar. Didn't think much of the interior, but the current one is lovely.
The big range is much more graceful to look at IMO.
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic53674.html?high...
Belts, guide done on a driveway.
Also the folks on disco3 have spoke about replacing turbos with body on on the drives as well. I think your getting a bit over excited about body off jobs
Yes, landrovers can break down, but they are superb cars to be with and even though mine has been a royal pain in the arse, i wont be replacing it with anything other than a Disco3.
bakerstreet said:
Just listen to your self. You have to take the bodyu off to get at the turbo! You can't sit there witha straight face and say thats a simple job. I've also heard that its a body off job for the cam belt too on the TDV6. Haven't had that confirmed though.
Just listen to yourself spreading rumours, blah, blah... 
Belts on a D3 are done without removing bodies and actually quite easy. Also, only done every 105,000 miles. FWIW - The 3.0 TDV6 now has a chain.
M
Jem0911 said:
My advise, grab an LPG 4.4 V8 Vogue (54/55plate on your budget)
Best car I've owned.
Buy well.
I searched for six months.
Course they go wrong all cars do.
Fully agree. I'd be hard pushed to choose which one to keep if I had to sell this or the 996 Turbo. Check out fullfatrr.com for detailed gen.Best car I've owned.
Buy well.
I searched for six months.
Course they go wrong all cars do.
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