Speed 6 engine.
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Has its reputation been so damaged by this site that no one will buy them anymore? Its a great engine, any right thinking person who compared it to a V8 car would say so, as I did. My cars engine has run perfectly during my ownership, and sounds and pulls beutifully. Its time to stop this prejudice against the Speed 6 isnt it?
Ocean1
Ocean1
Sadly the SP6 (for me anyway) does have a reputation for unreliability which has been borne out by posts we see month after month. Its a shame that such a fabulous engine in term of power / sound / useability is blighted by a few technical issues.
TBH I simply wouldn't buy an SP6 engined Cerb or early Tuscan because of the issues that the engine has suffered. Sorry
TBH I simply wouldn't buy an SP6 engined Cerb or early Tuscan because of the issues that the engine has suffered. Sorry
trackdemon said:
Sadly the SP6 (for me anyway) does have a reputation for unreliability which has been borne out by posts we see month after month. Its a shame that such a fabulous engine in term of power / sound / useability is blighted by a few technical issues.
TBH I simply wouldn't buy an SP6 engined Cerb or early Tuscan because of the issues that the engine has suffered. Sorry
agreed, this may be a great engine but its simply a game of russian roulette. is it or isnt it going to go.
and its just to exspensive for your average owner of these great cars to fork out for rebuilds its a great shame including myself that their is little confidence in the s6 motor to many fingers getting burned for me afraid
cooling is ay ok, it's the rest of it thats the problem. If you nailed the top three causes of failure it would be up there with the BMW's etc This does not seem to have happened yet though. Time will tell how good the fixes are on the 2003 spec engines. :-(
It's not the website thats turned people against the engine ocean. It's the engine and tvr's after sales service. If they fixed them for free becasue of the known faults no doubt they would cost the same if not more than the V8's. Maybe one day....
It's not the website thats turned people against the engine ocean. It's the engine and tvr's after sales service. If they fixed them for free becasue of the known faults no doubt they would cost the same if not more than the V8's. Maybe one day....
Anyone with doubts over the speed six engine should have a read of the latest edition of EVO, it praises the T350C (same engine) to such an extent it's incredible.
Reliability has been a problem and early cars have required work (including mine) but once they're sorted it nothing other than a fantastic car with a fantastic engine.
Reliability has been a problem and early cars have required work (including mine) but once they're sorted it nothing other than a fantastic car with a fantastic engine.
carl_w said:
Are you selling to upgrade to a V8?
Seriously, what's the Speed 6 like compared to an AJP8? Does it suffer from the same cooling problems? Is the cold running map laughable?
Moving to a V8 would be a downgrade, tried both much prefered the S6. No cooling problems, no problems of any kind.
ocean1 said:
Has its reputation been so damaged by this site that no one will buy them anymore? Its a great engine, any right thinking person who compared it to a V8 car would say so, as I did. My cars engine has run perfectly during my ownership, and sounds and pulls beutifully. Its time to stop this prejudice against the Speed 6 isnt it?
Ocean1
Nick
YOU have just opened up the debate again yourself. You have been as much to blame for the remarks on here as others.
ocean1 said:
Are you selling to upgrade to a V8?
Seriously, what's the Speed 6 like compared to an AJP8? Does it suffer from the same cooling problems? Is the cold running map laughable?
Moving to a V8 would be a downgrade, tried both much prefered the S6. No cooling problems, no problems of any kind.
You don't want to upgrade to a Rover V8 in a Griff, then?
Might consider the swap!FourWheelDrift said:
For a small fee I can delete this thread and you can start it again this time waxing lyrically about the virtues and brilliance of the Speed 6 engine.
At which point I wouldn't feel the need to come in and defend the V8, I could just agree with you the 6 is a nice engine. Simple really
Speed 6 owner said:
LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOULA LA LA, SPEED SIX IS WONDERFUL AND RELIABLE ETC
Then, in a cruel twist if fate....
Speed 6 owner said:
Bollix. Bloomin engines packed up and TVR have only offered to pay half the cost to fix.Cars off the road for 2 months and I have no courtesy car.
Smileys added to accetuate the humour intent in this post... Oh shut up the lot of you, Im entering sulk mode now 
. When these engines are sorted, they are sorted. The engine in my car had a missfire problem in 2001, it was then upraded to 2001 spec. It has now gone for 22000 miles with no problems atall, and I fully expect it to top 100000 miles just like any other engine.
>> Edited by ocean1 on Thursday 24th June 10:38
>> Edited by ocean1 on Thursday 24th June 10:39
. When these engines are sorted, they are sorted. The engine in my car had a missfire problem in 2001, it was then upraded to 2001 spec. It has now gone for 22000 miles with no problems atall, and I fully expect it to top 100000 miles just like any other engine. >> Edited by ocean1 on Thursday 24th June 10:38
>> Edited by ocean1 on Thursday 24th June 10:39
We need indies to start doing engine work proper to help with the 2nd hand running costs!
I just had my P1 engine worked on - Subaru at $66ph plus vat would have cost me £2K at least for the work whereas an indie did it for £1.1K PLUS a clutch (that would have cost £300 extra at subaru).
So if we could get engines fixed for say half the price of a dealer/TVR then it might be easier to bare.
I just had my P1 engine worked on - Subaru at $66ph plus vat would have cost me £2K at least for the work whereas an indie did it for £1.1K PLUS a clutch (that would have cost £300 extra at subaru).
So if we could get engines fixed for say half the price of a dealer/TVR then it might be easier to bare.
Couple of points..
1)Indies can work on the engines, the issue seems to be the factory giving access to the parts. If we could get a list of where some of the bits come from then this would help, or do TVR cast their own pistons, make rings etc, etc.
2) AJP8 overheating? Really? Never had that one. I bet if there are examples then it is the cooling system rather than a fault of the engine
3) Ocean, shut up and get back in your box, if your car is so bloody good then go and drive it and stop this troll like behaviour
4) As I have said a number of times, I think the s6 motor is excellent and I really hope they never have another failure. I also happen to think that my very early clatter cam equiped ajp 4.2 is utterly wonderful even if it does use a bit of oil, but then it has done 50k and these are very fragile engines (I'm setting myself up for a fall here).
Horses for courses and all that.
D
1)Indies can work on the engines, the issue seems to be the factory giving access to the parts. If we could get a list of where some of the bits come from then this would help, or do TVR cast their own pistons, make rings etc, etc.
2) AJP8 overheating? Really? Never had that one. I bet if there are examples then it is the cooling system rather than a fault of the engine
3) Ocean, shut up and get back in your box, if your car is so bloody good then go and drive it and stop this troll like behaviour
4) As I have said a number of times, I think the s6 motor is excellent and I really hope they never have another failure. I also happen to think that my very early clatter cam equiped ajp 4.2 is utterly wonderful even if it does use a bit of oil, but then it has done 50k and these are very fragile engines
(I'm setting myself up for a fall here). Horses for courses and all that.
D
The simple faxct of the matter is that too many people have bought S6 engined cars and then had a huge engine rebuild bill. The attitude of TVR/Dealers to the S6 engine issue is secondary really to the point of this post. The fact is that the laws of probability state that your s6 is going to go expensively bang at some point and the AJP V8 isn't. Therefore I'm in the market for a Cerb, I want a 4.5, would be happy enough for a 4.2 but would only buy a S6 if it was stupidly cheap because of the risk involved. Market forces at work unfortunately. I've driven a Tamora and thought what a wonderful engine it was, so no issue there. Just don't want to fork out my wad of cash and then find a surprise bill for £7k+ lurking around the corner.
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