Law: getting it wrong...often
Discussion
The motoring laws of this country get it wrong at both levels, compared with normal criminal offences:
For example: If you have been driving for 20 years without picking up any penalty points and go past a Gatso at speed, you'll get 3 points/£60 fine.
However, if you commit an act of theft, and it's your first offence, you'll get off with caution; no fine.
Secondly;
I you're having a bad day and go into the street with a knife and stab to death the first three people you see, you'll be given life imprisonment, with something like a recommendation you serve at least 25 years. However, if you drink 7 pints of Stella Artois, take some cocaine and other drugs before driving your car around the streets at 70mph, before killing 3 people; you'll only get 11 years imprisonment and be out on licence after 5 and a half.
Like I point out...The Government and the Law Courts have a lot to answer for nowadays..
Disgusting.
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 24th June 10:03
For example: If you have been driving for 20 years without picking up any penalty points and go past a Gatso at speed, you'll get 3 points/£60 fine.
However, if you commit an act of theft, and it's your first offence, you'll get off with caution; no fine.
Secondly;
I you're having a bad day and go into the street with a knife and stab to death the first three people you see, you'll be given life imprisonment, with something like a recommendation you serve at least 25 years. However, if you drink 7 pints of Stella Artois, take some cocaine and other drugs before driving your car around the streets at 70mph, before killing 3 people; you'll only get 11 years imprisonment and be out on licence after 5 and a half.
Like I point out...The Government and the Law Courts have a lot to answer for nowadays..
Disgusting.
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 24th June 10:03
Streetcop said:
Thirded!!!
Time to bring back the tawse, birch, stocks, pillory, Borstal, chain-gangs, hard labour and hanging.....
Not while people are claiming 'harrassment' for being stopped whilst driving...
Not the "normal" drivers though only the "minorities" who are claiming this??? or am I wrong???
Streetcop said:
The motoring laws of this country get it wrong at both levels, compared with normal criminal offences:
For example: If you have been driving for 20 years without picking up any penalty points and go past a Gatso at speed, you'll get 3 points/£60 fine.
Which is why these things cause so much resentment. And they only notify the RK. Scrote in stolen car who pings them - does not necessarily get copped and if he does:
streetcop said:
However, if you commit an act of theft, and it's your first offence, you'll get off with caution; no fine.
streetcop said:
Secondly;
I you're having a bad day and go into the street with a knife and stab to death the first three people you see, you'll be given life imprisonment, with something like a recommendation you serve at least 25 years. However, if you drink 7 pints of Stella Artois, take some cocaine and other drugs before driving your car around the streets at 70mph, before killing 3 people; you'll only get 11 years imprisonment and be out on licence after 5 and a half.
Like I point out...The Government and the Law Courts have a lot to answer for nowadays..
Disgusting.
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 24th June 10:03
Yup, Liebchen - law is ass. Lawyers say it is element of "accident" as opposed to "manslaughter"
And - of course - poor addict (in car) (sarcastic sighhhhh!) - out of his mind and does not know what he is doing ..... makes you want to
Then of course - there is the insanity of the revised benchbook
They call it "political correctness".
Piddlebags!
PetrolTed said:
The laws on deception need tightening up too...
He he, you've really got your doubts haven't you - Mind you, you have IP access so I guess that could spell a few things out www.mycompany.com!
looks like the law got it right in this case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3835537.stm
Guy gets beaten up by teenager's 2 mates after complaining about him damaging a phone box - Guy getting beaten up shoots teenager in the face with harpoon gun.
(IMHO)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3835537.stm
Guy gets beaten up by teenager's 2 mates after complaining about him damaging a phone box - Guy getting beaten up shoots teenager in the face with harpoon gun.
(IMHO)
echo said:
looks like the law got it right in this case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3835537.stm
Guy gets beaten up by teenager's 2 mates after complaining about him damaging a phone box - Guy getting beaten up shoots teenager in the face with harpoon gun.
(IMHO)
Not quite.
The guy getting beaten up by three attackers who stabbed him close to the heart was:
BBC said:
cleared of unlawfully possessing an offensive weapon after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.
As for the attackers who stabbed him:
BBC said:
Watkins, 37, of Thatcham, was discharged on all counts.
Hawkins was discharged on two counts but convicted of affray and given a community punishment and rehabilitation order.
Lovegrove, 28, of Thatcham, was jailed for 18 months for affray.
Streetcop said:
The motoring laws of this country get it wrong at both levels, compared with normal criminal offences:
For example: If you have been driving for 20 years without picking up any penalty points and go past a Gatso at speed, you'll get 3 points/£60 fine.
However, if you commit an act of theft, and it's your first offence, you'll get off with caution; no fine.
You are shooting yourself in the foot here, since courts do not caution offenders, the Police do.
Streetcop said:
Secondly;
I you're having a bad day and go into the street with a knife and stab to death the first three people you see, you'll be given life imprisonment, with something like a recommendation you serve at least 25 years. However, if you drink 7 pints of Stella Artois, take some cocaine and other drugs before driving your car around the streets at 70mph, before killing 3 people; you'll only get 11 years imprisonment and be out on licence after 5 and a half.
Like I point out...The Government and the Law Courts have a lot to answer for nowadays..
Disgusting.
There is a crucial difference between malice aforethought and lack of intent. Most people would distinguish between a deliberate killing (murder) and thoughtless, inebriate conduct. Both are worthy of punishment, but in different measure.
Also sentences in excess of four years, usually only attract remission (1/3) and not parole (possible 1/3 + 1/3 remission).
kenp said:
The motoring laws of this country get it wrong at both levels, compared with normal criminal offences:
For example: If you have been driving for 20 years without picking up any penalty points and go past a Gatso at speed, you'll get 3 points/£60 fine.
However, if you commit an act of theft, and it's your first offence, you'll get off with caution; no fine.
You are shooting yourself in the foot here, since courts do not caution offenders, the Police do.
The Police *nick* thieves, and deal with them according to the circumstances; Gatsos nick speeders, and they are all dealt with exactly the same regardless of circumstances. *FLASH!* Kerching!
bogush said:
Not quite.
The guy getting beaten up by three attackers who stabbed him close to the heart was:
BBC said:
cleared of unlawfully possessing an offensive weapon after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.
I don't follow your reasoning, he was acquitted of the grievous bodily harm, 3:1 + being stabbed close to heart = self defence.
Is there a law that requires a licence for a harpoon gun? No = not guilty, Yes, then did he have a licence? Yes = not guilty of unlawful possession, No = guilty, is it not that simple really?
kevinday said:
Not quite.
The guy getting beaten up by three attackers who stabbed him close to the heart was:
BBC said:
cleared of unlawfully possessing an offensive weapon after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.
Is there a law that requires a licence for a harpoon gun? No = not guilty, Yes, then did he have a licence? Yes = not guilty of unlawful possession, No = guilty, is it not that simple really?
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I see the problem now:
people only read half my posts.
In response to:
echo said:
looks like the law got it right in this case:
My point was:
bogush said:
As for the attackers who stabbed him:
BBC said:
Watkins, 37, of Thatcham, was discharged on all counts.
Hawkins was discharged on two counts but convicted of affray and given a community punishment and rehabilitation order.
Lovegrove, 28, of Thatcham, was jailed for 18 months for affray.
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