XTR Shifter help
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Gooby

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9,269 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Currently running XTR Shifters (970) 9 speed.
Left hand shifter (front Mech) drives an XT mech and swaps cogs over a race face crank with 3 speed chainrings (common size)

The left hand shifter has been dying for a while and last night gave up. I need a replacement. Can I use the new XTR shifters 980 10 speed to swap chanring cogs on a 9 speed system. As far as I can see, the offset between chainrings is the same. It is still a 3 chainring system...

Is is possible?

carter711

1,849 posts

227 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Gooby said:
Currently running XTR Shifters (970) 9 speed.
Left hand shifter (front Mech) drives an XT mech and swaps cogs over a race face crank with 3 speed chainrings (common size)

The left hand shifter has been dying for a while and last night gave up. I need a replacement. Can I use the new XTR shifters 980 10 speed to swap chanring cogs on a 9 speed system. As far as I can see, the offset between chainrings is the same. It is still a 3 chainring system...

Is is possible?
If you are looking to replace just the left hand shifter you can use any shifter that has 3 clicks basically.

Gooby

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9,269 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Just had a brief conversation with an expert.

No I cant!

XTR 10 speed shifter cant be used on a 9 speed xt Front mech. Too busy to answer why and I get the feeling it is the "Safe answer".

Ordered a 970's, left and right because they dont sell just left (NUTS) - anyone want to buy a XTR 970 right shifter - brand new?

carter711

1,849 posts

227 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Gooby said:
Too busy to answer why
When you're not so busy I'd be interested to hear.

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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It's to do with the cable pull ratio (I think, don't quote me)

What about http://www.farnhamcycles.co.uk/Shop/p/30177-shiman...

matt-ITR

892 posts

218 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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I didn't think Shimano changes the pull ratio for the front mech when they moved to 10sp?
I would have said, yes you can use it but you will pay a big premium just to get XTR.

Gooby

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263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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CRC have dispatched the order with the Nokon cables. I have XTR on the bike and I think the "premium" for XTR shifters is worth every penny. No other shifter as good. Could be some out there that are more reliable......

matt-ITR

892 posts

218 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Nokon cables are pretty rubbish IMO. Look good, but fiddly to set up and they creak like hell after a few rides.
And if they are silver then the coating comes off really easily.

shalmaneser

6,426 posts

224 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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matt-ITR said:
I didn't think Shimano changes the pull ratio for the front mech when they moved to 10sp?
I would have said, yes you can use it but you will pay a big premium just to get XTR.
This is correct.

All the Dyna-sys (10 spd) stuff uses a different pull ration, so you can't use 9 speed shifters with 10 spd mechs (front OR rear) and vice versa. This is all the way down to Deore Dyna-sys.

Gooby

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263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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matt-ITR said:
Nokon cables are pretty rubbish IMO. Look good, but fiddly to set up and they creak like hell after a few rides.
And if they are silver then the coating comes off really easily.
oh ... nuts

matt-ITR

892 posts

218 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Gooby said:
oh ... nuts
Best things you can do it make sure you lube them before and after every ride. PITA!

Gooby

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9,269 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Or return them...
I'll have a look.
Are you using them for brakes or gears?

a11y_m

1,861 posts

251 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Gooby said:
Or return them...
I'll have a look.
Are you using them for brakes or gears?
I'd return them - bloke I ride with had them, raved about them for about 2 months, then got rid as the noise was driving him (and us!) insane.

I just use basic inners with decent quality full-lenth Shimano outer cable, and replace the inner fairly often. Works very well although that's partly down to them being full-lenth (continuous) and with those Middleburn cable oilers (search on CRC if you're not sure what they are).

Wish I could justify XTR! I spend the extra on XT shifters over SLX/etc as there's a definate difference in feel and performance, but for mechs/chainsets/etc I usually stick to SLX apart from cassettes.

Gooby

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263 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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a11y_m said:
I'd return them - bloke I ride with had them, raved about them for about 2 months, then got rid as the noise was driving him (and us!) insane.

I just use basic inners with decent quality full-lenth Shimano outer cable, and replace the inner fairly often. Works very well although that's partly down to them being full-lenth (continuous) and with those Middleburn cable oilers (search on CRC if you're not sure what they are).

Wish I could justify XTR! I spend the extra on XT shifters over SLX/etc as there's a definate difference in feel and performance, but for mechs/chainsets/etc I usually stick to SLX apart from cassettes.
The riding around here is very sandy and gritty, it eats bikes. I am forever trying to find a balance between performance and longevity. I have been using Jagwires for ages and they are brilliant for the price, I guess I fancied a change. The last ones have lasted about a year (Very good) but I clean them regularly. Oddly I think they have lasted so well because they are not full length. I can take them off the bike and clean them properly!

If you are looking for a new XTR shifter (Right hand) I am sure we can come to a deal that would make crimbo a happy occasion! I will even throw in the old left hand for free!

son of a vette

405 posts

244 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Gooby said:
The riding around here is very sandy and gritty, it eats bikes. I am forever trying to find a balance between performance and longevity. I have been using Jagwires for ages and they are brilliant for the price, I guess I fancied a change. The last ones have lasted about a year (Very good) but I clean them regularly. Oddly I think they have lasted so well because they are not full length. I can take them off the bike and clean them properly!

If you are looking for a new XTR shifter (Right hand) I am sure we can come to a deal that would make crimbo a happy occasion! I will even throw in the old left hand for free!
The only cables I really like are the Gore ones, yeah they cost a bomb for some wires but they really do work, and if your riding is done in sandy conditions they are completely sealed. Been running my recent set for a year now in some nasty mud and they still feel the same as when they went on the bike.
Treat the XTR shifters to the best cables smile

I could be interested in the R/H shifter, PM with how much, it might be a bit too close to christmas for me to justify spending on my bike though, hmmmm XTR is an addiction!

Gooby

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263 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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They have arrived!

Ohhh shiney and new! Guess what - they come with cables!!! REALLY NICE cables. I have never seen a tighter weve, the strands are so fine you can barely see the individual strands - Very impressed.

The shifting is snikety and smooth and precice.