What are the chances of Joe Public nicking a cop?
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Just wondered really.
Do any BiB know an eg of this happening.
Surely if it was something serious then it should be possible.
Suppose a friendly scuffle broke out a t a football match. No punches just verbal, and a copper waded in with both fists. Would it be a case of needing lots of witness statements, only to be throen out at court ( as the courts "always" take the word of BiB over Joe Public)
This could be controversial....keep it sensible!!
Do any BiB know an eg of this happening.
Surely if it was something serious then it should be possible.
Suppose a friendly scuffle broke out a t a football match. No punches just verbal, and a copper waded in with both fists. Would it be a case of needing lots of witness statements, only to be throen out at court ( as the courts "always" take the word of BiB over Joe Public)
This could be controversial....keep it sensible!!
If there are witnesses who can be considered reliable then there is every reason to suppose that a Jury/Magistrate will believe them.
If you think that the police you have reported it to are not taking it seriously, then I suggest you write to the chief constable with copies to head of police complaints and National Newspapers.
If you think that you will not be followed wherever you go by their mates, looking for a minor transgretion, then you are naive.
Not that I don't trust the police you understand. I believe that most are normal everyday people doing a hard job protecting the very fabrique of our Society, but I'm sure that a few are complete twats. These people need to be weeded out.
If you think that the police you have reported it to are not taking it seriously, then I suggest you write to the chief constable with copies to head of police complaints and National Newspapers.
If you think that you will not be followed wherever you go by their mates, looking for a minor transgretion, then you are naive.
Not that I don't trust the police you understand. I believe that most are normal everyday people doing a hard job protecting the very fabrique of our Society, but I'm sure that a few are complete twats. These people need to be weeded out.
jacko lah said:
If there are witnesses who can be considered reliable then there is every reason to suppose that a Jury/Magistrate will believe them.
If you think that the police you have reported it to are not taking it seriously, then I suggest you write to the chief constable with copies to head of police complaints and National Newspapers.
If you think that you will not be followed wherever you go by their mates, looking for a minor transgretion, then you are naive.
Not that I don't trust the police you understand. I believe that most are normal everyday people doing a hard job protecting the very fabrique of our Society, but I'm sure that a few are complete twats. These people need to be weeded out.
Jacko Lah.
I too think that most BiB are normal everyday people etc, but just wanted some feedback as to "has it happened and how"
Not too many takers I see
Blademan.
As a member of the Public you have the power of arrest over :
anyone you see committing an arrestable offence,
who you have reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing such an offence,or
where an arrestable offence has been committed, arrest anyone who is Guilty of the offence, or
whom you have reasonable grounds for suspecting Guilty of the offence.
Arrestable offence is defined as an offence:
Which has sentence fixed by law (Murder),or
Someone over 21, for an offence attracting more than 5 years imprisonment (age to be reduced to 18 when S 74 Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2002 comes into Force),or
a whole string of offences under S 24(2) PACE 84 (noticeable TWOC, fail to stop report accident involving injury).
However there is a very big sting in the tail in as much, like BiB, if you get it wrong then you are open to be sued for wrongful arrest when substantial damages can be awarded against you.
Re your scenario at the Pooftymatch then if Plod wades in and decks left right and sundry, following a complaint to Police, the matter would be investigated, evidence gathered as to whether excessive use of force has been used to quell an apparent Breach of the Peace (farting about as you mention can amount to this) and if sufficient to secure a conviction for actual bodily harm/wounding etc then they will be dealt with.
Don't you read a quality paper anymore?. Seems to me it is getting too frequent when BiB lets the side down, changes allegiance to the other side and is put before the Court........ so no whitewash as you imply, know what I mean 'arry..
DVD
As a member of the Public you have the power of arrest over :
anyone you see committing an arrestable offence,
who you have reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing such an offence,or
where an arrestable offence has been committed, arrest anyone who is Guilty of the offence, or
whom you have reasonable grounds for suspecting Guilty of the offence.
Arrestable offence is defined as an offence:
Which has sentence fixed by law (Murder),or
Someone over 21, for an offence attracting more than 5 years imprisonment (age to be reduced to 18 when S 74 Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2002 comes into Force),or
a whole string of offences under S 24(2) PACE 84 (noticeable TWOC, fail to stop report accident involving injury).
However there is a very big sting in the tail in as much, like BiB, if you get it wrong then you are open to be sued for wrongful arrest when substantial damages can be awarded against you.
Re your scenario at the Pooftymatch then if Plod wades in and decks left right and sundry, following a complaint to Police, the matter would be investigated, evidence gathered as to whether excessive use of force has been used to quell an apparent Breach of the Peace (farting about as you mention can amount to this) and if sufficient to secure a conviction for actual bodily harm/wounding etc then they will be dealt with.
Don't you read a quality paper anymore?. Seems to me it is getting too frequent when BiB lets the side down, changes allegiance to the other side and is put before the Court........ so no whitewash as you imply, know what I mean 'arry..
DVD
Dwight VanDriver said:
Blademan.
As a member of the Public you have the power of arrest over :
anyone you see committing an arrestable offence,
who you have reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing such an offence,or
where an arrestable offence has been committed, arrest anyone who is Guilty of the offence, or
whom you have reasonable grounds for suspecting Guilty of the offence.
Arrestable offence is defined as an offence:
Which has sentence fixed by law (Murder),or
Someone over 21, for an offence attracting more than 5 years imprisonment (age to be reduced to 18 when S 74 Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2002 comes into Force),or
a whole string of offences under S 24(2) PACE 84 (noticeable TWOC, fail to stop report accident involving injury).
However there is a very big sting in the tail in as much, like BiB, if you get it wrong then you are open to be sued for wrongful arrest when substantial damages can be awarded against you.
Re your scenario at the Pooftymatch then if Plod wades in and decks left right and sundry, following a complaint to Police, the matter would be investigated, evidence gathered as to whether excessive use of force has been used to quell an apparent Breach of the Peace (farting about as you mention can amount to this) and if sufficient to secure a conviction for actual bodily harm/wounding etc then they will be dealt with.
Don't you read a quality paper anymore?. Seems to me it is getting too frequent when BiB lets the side down, changes allegiance to the other side and is put before the Court........ so no whitewash as you imply, know what I mean 'arry..
DVD
Thanks for that DVD, and YES i do read quality papers and see it on the news.It's really hard these day's because of Burden of proof etc.
I wasn't having a dig at BiB, cos, as I've said on numerous posts, I respect them.In fact the BiB replies in this forum generally have reinforced that view.
I know of a Senior Police Officer getting nicked for shoplifting in a very well Known High Street Store, the Police were called - PC's were mortified at getting called to arrest their Senior Officer.
Said Officer was allowed to retire - on his full pension and was never charged
no it is not bullsh1t or hearsay - I know because......... I know
, I was just interested as I said in the first post. It's only a question!!
I would say "Fat Chance!" because .....
This story is still under some "investigation" but happens to involve my Ma-in-Law's sister.
She has misfortune to live next door to the neighbour from hell - who has just moved in.
This neighbour takes perverse delight in filling up he next door neighbour's bin with her rubbish, allowing her dog to destroy the fence between the properties (and not replacing it), and deliberately parking her car in front of the driveway access to the neighbour's house when her own drive is empty.
The new neighbour is ..... a WPC!
The Ma-in-law's sister, widowed and aged 72 years has lived in this house for 50 years in harmony with all and sundry - until this person moved in.
Matters came to head when a Mad Cat and his wilder feline wife visited his auntie - and got blocked in the driveway. Knew nothing about the horrors she was enduring - aunty is stiff upper lift type.
But when Mad Doc innocently said "Oh dear - lady visiting next door has parked across the drive. Never mind - I'll ask her to just move it out of way!" - his aunt burst into tears.
He found out why - when he knocked on the door and asked politely if madam would not mind moving her car - and was greeted with tirade of ranting and rambling. Admit matters were not helped when I mentioned camomile tea, oil of evening primrose and visit to GP to help with her apparent PMT
(and suppose I should have bit my lip!) Anyway she continued to rant that he car was taxed, insured and had every right to be on roadway, and threatened to arrest us when we retorted with fact our car was likewise and we wanted to get it on the road. We got "Do you know who I am - I am A WPC!" cr@p. At her threat of arrest - Mad Doc called her bluff and called cops himself.
But in the investigation - it is very clear that it is case of her word against ours and the elderly lady whose life she is menacing by her actions!
So - on this basis - would say - chances of Josefina Public nicking a BiB are remote to say the least.
Has it coloured my judgement of cops overall? No - because I know majority are decent professionals. And numpties like this are minority which you need to weed out.
This story is still under some "investigation" but happens to involve my Ma-in-Law's sister.
She has misfortune to live next door to the neighbour from hell - who has just moved in.
This neighbour takes perverse delight in filling up he next door neighbour's bin with her rubbish, allowing her dog to destroy the fence between the properties (and not replacing it), and deliberately parking her car in front of the driveway access to the neighbour's house when her own drive is empty.
The new neighbour is .....
a WPC! The Ma-in-law's sister, widowed and aged 72 years has lived in this house for 50 years in harmony with all and sundry - until this person moved in.
Matters came to head when a Mad Cat and his wilder feline wife visited his auntie - and got blocked in the driveway. Knew nothing about the horrors she was enduring - aunty is stiff upper lift type.
But when Mad Doc innocently said "Oh dear - lady visiting next door has parked across the drive. Never mind - I'll ask her to just move it out of way!" - his aunt burst into tears.
He found out why - when he knocked on the door and asked politely if madam would not mind moving her car - and was greeted with tirade of ranting and rambling. Admit matters were not helped when I mentioned camomile tea, oil of evening primrose and visit to GP to help with her apparent PMT
(and suppose I should have bit my lip!) Anyway she continued to rant that he car was taxed, insured and had every right to be on roadway, and threatened to arrest us when we retorted with fact our car was likewise and we wanted to get it on the road. We got "Do you know who I am - I am A WPC!" cr@p. At her threat of arrest - Mad Doc called her bluff and called cops himself. But in the investigation - it is very clear that it is case of her word against ours and the elderly lady whose life she is menacing by her actions!
So - on this basis - would say - chances of Josefina Public nicking a BiB are remote to say the least.
Has it coloured my judgement of cops overall? No - because I know majority are decent professionals. And numpties like this are minority which you need to weed out.
I would say it is probably unheard of for Jo Public to physically arrest an on duty, in uniform Officer. If the actions of an Officer concern you that much, his/her colar number should be noted, and the appropriate letter of complaint sent. Trust me, it WILL be actioned. When I'm Duty Inspector, I deal with enough of them. (Most of them false, malicious or otherwise utter bollox, I might add).
However, much more common is when an Officer is arrested for matters off duty. Officers get breathalysed, given speeding tickets, and indeed get arrested, for a whole range of things. Indeed, 2 from my own station were arrested only recently. I have had the diffcult task of being Custody Officer when Officers from a force's Professional Standards Department bring a colleague in, under arrest. It is usual practice to take them to a station they don't work at, or if possible, out of force.
However, much more common is when an Officer is arrested for matters off duty. Officers get breathalysed, given speeding tickets, and indeed get arrested, for a whole range of things. Indeed, 2 from my own station were arrested only recently. I have had the diffcult task of being Custody Officer when Officers from a force's Professional Standards Department bring a colleague in, under arrest. It is usual practice to take them to a station they don't work at, or if possible, out of force.
The professional standards or Discipline and Complaints Department of the police are staffed by a bunch of hypocrites IMO.
These Inspectors/Ch. Insp/Superintendants did far worse in their time, yet have the cheek to interview PC's and Sergeants and say things like "SO THIS BURGLAR YOU CAUGHT IN AN OAP'S HOUSE. DID YOU REALLY RAG HIM ABOUT A BIT BEFORE PUTTING HIM IN THE CAR. COME COME OFFICER, YOU CAN TELL US'
Like Bollocks I can...
As for the original thread...Any Bobby who commits a crime should be caught and punished. Not necessarily more than a member of the public, but at least the same.
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 24th June 16:15
These Inspectors/Ch. Insp/Superintendants did far worse in their time, yet have the cheek to interview PC's and Sergeants and say things like "SO THIS BURGLAR YOU CAUGHT IN AN OAP'S HOUSE. DID YOU REALLY RAG HIM ABOUT A BIT BEFORE PUTTING HIM IN THE CAR. COME COME OFFICER, YOU CAN TELL US'
Like Bollocks I can...
As for the original thread...Any Bobby who commits a crime should be caught and punished. Not necessarily more than a member of the public, but at least the same.
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 24th June 16:15
Streetcop said:
The professional standards or Discipline and Complaints Department of the police are staffed by a bunch of hypocrites IMO.
These Inspectors/Ch. Insp/Superintendants did far worse in their time, yet have the cheek to interview PC's and Sergeants and say things like "SO THIS BURGLAR YOU CAUGHT IN AN OAP'S HOUSE. DID YOU REALLY RAG HIM ABOUT A BIT BEFORE PUTTING HIM IN THE CAR. COME COME OFFICER, YOU CAN TELL US'
Like Bollock I can...
As for the original thread...Any Bobby who commits a crime should be caught and punished. Not necessarily more than a member of the public, but at least the same.
Streetcop...........you're back
Thought your shift didn't end 'til 6pm?
Not that I mind of course.
I tell you what mate.
Your answers on this forum are a breath of fresh air to me.
The more open and honest you are, the more my respect for the Police increases!!
Thanks blademan...You're most kind...
I'm still at work...but having a break..(we have internet access in the resource room)..good eh?
I've spent the last 2 hours directing traffic at the scene of a serious RTC...
Good excercise for me..I need to lose a little weight, about a stone would be nice..
Honesty can sometimes be a problem in life, but having the courage of one's convictions and saying what you think is right is a good quality to have...IMHO
I'm still at work...but having a break..(we have internet access in the resource room)..good eh?
I've spent the last 2 hours directing traffic at the scene of a serious RTC...
Good excercise for me..I need to lose a little weight, about a stone would be nice..
Honesty can sometimes be a problem in life, but having the courage of one's convictions and saying what you think is right is a good quality to have...IMHO
Streetcop said:
Thanks blademan...You're most kind...
I'm still at work...but having a break..(we have internet access in the resource room)..good eh?
I've spent the last 2 hours directing traffic at the scene of a serious RTC...
Good excercise for me..I need to lose a little weight, about a stone would be nice..
Honesty can sometimes be a problem in life, but having the courage of one's convictions and saying what you think is right is a good quality to have...IMHO
I know what you mean about honesty being a problem.
I used to be excessively honest, but on occaision, it has caused problems for me.
Got to go now Streetcop. See you tomorrow am.
P.S. Must try to be a good boy on my Blade on the way home, and keep it under 150........
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