How accepted are modifications in TVR community - opinions
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Hi folks
I recently helped write an article for Sprint about modifying Sagaris' and I thought it might be interesting to pose a question to the community as a whole about people's opinions as to modifying their cars.
So, what's your thoughts - do you prefer to keep your Sags/Tams or T350s as original as you can, or do you actively pursue modifications if available that can help enhance the look/drivability/performance/lifespan etc of your car?
Some examples might be - exhausts, engine mods, bigger alloys, scuff plates, steering wheels, custom bonnets, remaps, chipping etc. Anything which is not "original".
A lot of Sag owners I have met have for example modified their cars in one way or another, whilst some are quite adaminate about keeping it as original as they can.
This is just a piece of research that is out of interest for me that I also thought might be of interest to others as well.
Thanks!
I recently helped write an article for Sprint about modifying Sagaris' and I thought it might be interesting to pose a question to the community as a whole about people's opinions as to modifying their cars.
So, what's your thoughts - do you prefer to keep your Sags/Tams or T350s as original as you can, or do you actively pursue modifications if available that can help enhance the look/drivability/performance/lifespan etc of your car?
Some examples might be - exhausts, engine mods, bigger alloys, scuff plates, steering wheels, custom bonnets, remaps, chipping etc. Anything which is not "original".
A lot of Sag owners I have met have for example modified their cars in one way or another, whilst some are quite adaminate about keeping it as original as they can.
This is just a piece of research that is out of interest for me that I also thought might be of interest to others as well.
Thanks!
Edited by alex_gray255 on Saturday 19th November 00:28
alex_gray255 said:
Hi folks
I recently helped write an article for Sprint about modifying Sagaris' and I thought it might be interesting to pose a question to the community as a whole about people's opinions as to modifying their cars.
So, what's your thoughts - do you prefer to keep your Sags/Tams or T350s as original as you can, or do you actively pursue modifications if available that can help enhance the look/drivability/performance/lifespan etc of your car?
Some examples might be - exhausts, engine mods, bigger alloys, scuff plates, steering wheels, custom bonnets, remaps, chipping etc. Anything which is not "original".
A lot of Sag owners I have met have for example modified their cars in one way or another, whilst some are quite adaminate about keeping it as original as they can.
This is just a piece of research that is out of interest for me that I also thought might be of interest to others as well.
Thanks!
IMO modifying to fix some of the original issues such as improving handling and any mods that bring the T350C closer to the Sagaris spec are OK, including engine mods, brakes, gearbox, but all within the original Sagaris design brief.I recently helped write an article for Sprint about modifying Sagaris' and I thought it might be interesting to pose a question to the community as a whole about people's opinions as to modifying their cars.
So, what's your thoughts - do you prefer to keep your Sags/Tams or T350s as original as you can, or do you actively pursue modifications if available that can help enhance the look/drivability/performance/lifespan etc of your car?
Some examples might be - exhausts, engine mods, bigger alloys, scuff plates, steering wheels, custom bonnets, remaps, chipping etc. Anything which is not "original".
A lot of Sag owners I have met have for example modified their cars in one way or another, whilst some are quite adaminate about keeping it as original as they can.
This is just a piece of research that is out of interest for me that I also thought might be of interest to others as well.
Thanks!
Edited by alex_gray255 on Saturday 19th November 00:28
Body mods are rarely an improvement on the original T350C shape..wheels being the only exception and as long as you keep the originals, the next owner can easily revert.
I think one of the appealing aspects of TVR ownership is that you can make sensible mods to the car to improve it beyond how it left the factory. Obviously one man's sensible is another man's over the top but mods that I have made that make the car better yet at the same time keep it close to original:
- Carbon fibre air box
- Raceproved pre-oiler
- SP12 wheels
- Engine re-map
- Custom exhaust (cat-back)
- tail gate alloy handle
- Stainless steel wheel nuts
Next up:
- stick on front number plate
- front / rear skid plates if I can source them
Thinking about:
- SP6 upgrade
Possibly acceptable upgrade:
- AJP V8 conversion
Definitely not acceptable:
- LS or other conversions
- body work mods (this might rule out an AJP V8 conversion)
On the subject to LS and other engine upgrades, I can understand them if the aim is to go racing but what you end up with is definitely not a TVR. Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche & Aston owners etc wouldn't dream of such a conversion.
- Carbon fibre air box
- Raceproved pre-oiler
- SP12 wheels
- Engine re-map
- Custom exhaust (cat-back)
- tail gate alloy handle
- Stainless steel wheel nuts
Next up:
- stick on front number plate
- front / rear skid plates if I can source them
Thinking about:
- SP6 upgrade
Possibly acceptable upgrade:
- AJP V8 conversion
Definitely not acceptable:
- LS or other conversions
- body work mods (this might rule out an AJP V8 conversion)
On the subject to LS and other engine upgrades, I can understand them if the aim is to go racing but what you end up with is definitely not a TVR. Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche & Aston owners etc wouldn't dream of such a conversion.
Why are bodywork mods out? The reason the Sag didn't have its full cutouts aren't what Top Gear said....
Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
Don1 said:
Why are bodywork mods out? The reason the Sag didn't have its full cutouts aren't what Top Gear said....
Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
Erm, we are all the TVR community, and we all have opinions that it is interesting to share.Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
I personally love the TVR brand and want to keep my car as original as is possible. Just my opinion of course.
steveT350C said:
I personally love the TVR brand and want to keep my car as original as is possible. Just my opinion of course.
We went to a TVRCC event a number of years ago, and a guy pulled up in a Griff next to us - the same colour as ours.He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
s5tvr said:
On the subject to LS and other engine upgrades, I can understand them if the aim is to go racing but what you end up with is definitely not a TVR.
So when a modded Saxo comes up in discussion and has £20k of 'enhancements', and can out accelerate a TVR how is it that we all say "but it is still a Saxo".I think what you mean is that a TVR with a different engine/drivetrain is no longer in the spirit of the original TVR.
Podie said:
We went to a TVRCC event a number of years ago, and a guy pulled up in a Griff next to us - the same colour as ours.
He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
He sounds like a right giggle. The beards were a reason I opted out of TVR events and only RG's party that changed my mind on doing any sort of car club based events. He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
Although I agree about keeping a car as standard as possible of course.
Podie said:
steveT350C said:
I personally love the TVR brand and want to keep my car as original as is possible. Just my opinion of course.
We went to a TVRCC event a number of years ago, and a guy pulled up in a Griff next to us - the same colour as ours.He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
Just because I prefer my car to stay as original as possible does not mean that I do not have huge respect for someone who orchestrated the dropping of an LS7 into a sag to create something very special.
steveT350C said:
Podie said:
steveT350C said:
I personally love the TVR brand and want to keep my car as original as is possible. Just my opinion of course.
We went to a TVRCC event a number of years ago, and a guy pulled up in a Griff next to us - the same colour as ours.He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
Just because I prefer my car to stay as original as possible does not mean that I do not have huge respect for someone who orchestrated the dropping of an LS7 into a sag to create something very special.
Podie said:
steveT350C said:
Podie said:
steveT350C said:
I personally love the TVR brand and want to keep my car as original as is possible. Just my opinion of course.
We went to a TVRCC event a number of years ago, and a guy pulled up in a Griff next to us - the same colour as ours.He then proceeded to tell us that his car was superior as it was exactly as it had left the factory and only had 10,000 miles on the clock.
People should enjoy their car for what it is, rather than preach their views on to others.
Just because I prefer my car to stay as original as possible does not mean that I do not have huge respect for someone who orchestrated the dropping of an LS7 into a sag to create something very special.
I think the issue lies with the guy you met claiming his car is 'superior' because of 'originality'. Superiority is qualitative while originality is quantitative. The two dont mix.
Sorry chap, it wasn't "directed" at you - it was just a logical extension of what you were saying.
Podie said:
I disagree - that's how we ended up with the original Griffith and the Cobra...
I take your point, but the cars moved on from those early days and became an established marque. Once out of the kit car category and into the production car category originality will be a factor for many. There will be some that will argue that my car is not original enough for them because of the mods I've made and I can see their point but it's still a TVR without question. Drop another engine into a TVR and you no longer have a TVR, you have a kit car albeit (arguably) a better one than the TVR original. This I think is particularly the case with the SP6 and AJP V8 cars as at the heart of the car is TVR's own engine.Don1 said:
Why are bodywork mods out? The reason the Sag didn't have its full cutouts aren't what Top Gear said....
Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
RIGHT ON, BROTHER! *high fives*Personally who gives a flying f*ck what 'the TVR community' deems is acceptable? The whole concept of banal conformity should be an irrational concept to anyone who owns a car as mad as a TVR.
Who cares if people don't like your car. It's your car.
There are various categories of modding from arguably finishing off the factory build to that orange Tuscan we all vommed over in the classifieds.
Suffice to say that the orange car did highlight that not all modding is wise.
I don't feel that enhancing anything mechanical if done properly is any issue at all but changes to aesthetics or replacement of the engine are very personal things and each to their own.
The tale of the nob in the original Griff is humorous and depressing at the same time but I would hope that many Tivs remain as 'god' intended.
Suffice to say that the orange car did highlight that not all modding is wise.
I don't feel that enhancing anything mechanical if done properly is any issue at all but changes to aesthetics or replacement of the engine are very personal things and each to their own.
The tale of the nob in the original Griff is humorous and depressing at the same time but I would hope that many Tivs remain as 'god' intended.
Shnozz said:
Jammy Dodger said:
RemainAllHoof said:
RIGHT ON, BROTHER! *high fives*
hot dang ! where can i get me one o' dem spoilazz ?
Hey, if it makes them happy.... Doesn't mean I like it, or would want it, but there we go.
For me it's the zealot-like purists who are stupid enough to believe that everything that came out of the factory was perfect and should remain that way.
The only TVRCC event I attended, I was being given chapter and verse on (I kid you not), windscreen wipers, and how it was wrong for me to change from the 'loop' system to another system. Let's just say the conversation didn't end well, and I've never been to another TVRCC event.
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