Senna, the movie
Discussion
I was (am) a big Senna fan and I found the film a little emotional! I thought THAT weekend was handled very well with very little commentary.
I know its been said before, but there was something wrong about that weekend at Imola and it was like Senna knew.
Was there a little tear in the Firman eye?
MTR
I know its been said before, but there was something wrong about that weekend at Imola and it was like Senna knew.
Was there a little tear in the Firman eye?
MTR
I've had the film sitting here for a few days and I wasn't really expecting that much from it if that doesn't sound too crass. I was waiting for the right time to view it and I'm glad I did. Yes, it leaves you feeling a bit strange, but not in a bad way. A very well made production.
Did he know something was wrong? I'm not sure. A car that he couldn't really lean on because it wasn't balanced. A guy who wasn't just there to make up the numbers and as anyone who's ever raced will contest the worst case scenario always runs through your mind at various times during the weekend.
With someone that great the sense of loss is such that hearing, "it was just an unfortunate accident" isn't enough.
As ever,
Henry
Did he know something was wrong? I'm not sure. A car that he couldn't really lean on because it wasn't balanced. A guy who wasn't just there to make up the numbers and as anyone who's ever raced will contest the worst case scenario always runs through your mind at various times during the weekend.
With someone that great the sense of loss is such that hearing, "it was just an unfortunate accident" isn't enough.
As ever,
Henry
The greatest legacy from disc 2 is the work the institute is doing. If Senna had lived and retired from racing in whatever year the good he could have done would have been amazing for Brazil.
To me, that's the real regret. And I believe he could have had Schumacher in 94,95 and Hill in 96, Villeneuve in 97 which would have changed racing history at least.
To me, that's the real regret. And I believe he could have had Schumacher in 94,95 and Hill in 96, Villeneuve in 97 which would have changed racing history at least.
A fantastic film, which I have watched 3 times already. Very well paced film leading to the unavoidable emotional ending.
Even my 9 year old son recognises the fact that Senna was a driver head and shoulders above all others. There never has been, or probably will be again in my lifetime such a focussed and naturally gifted driver.
Even my 9 year old son recognises the fact that Senna was a driver head and shoulders above all others. There never has been, or probably will be again in my lifetime such a focussed and naturally gifted driver.
I was (am) a big Senna fan and I found the film a little emotional! I thought THAT weekend was handled very well with very little commentary.
I know its been said before, but there was something wrong about that weekend at Imola and it was like Senna knew.
Was there a little tear in the Firman eye?
MTR
Senna was reluctant to race that weekend after Ratzenbergers death and Barichellos bad accident the days before, and those last shots of his eyes whilst sitting in the car on the grid looked like the eyes of a guy about to meet his destiny, who knows, he did claim a pretty good connection with God!
He certainly kept me transfixed to F1 up until his untimely death!
I know its been said before, but there was something wrong about that weekend at Imola and it was like Senna knew.
Was there a little tear in the Firman eye?
MTR
Senna was reluctant to race that weekend after Ratzenbergers death and Barichellos bad accident the days before, and those last shots of his eyes whilst sitting in the car on the grid looked like the eyes of a guy about to meet his destiny, who knows, he did claim a pretty good connection with God!
He certainly kept me transfixed to F1 up until his untimely death!
I saw it at the flicks just once (I've recently bought the DVD but not wanted to watch it) I'm happy to admit the footage of him in the car after the accident brought tears to my eyes.
I think I'm right in saying that Frank Williams went on record as saying that Senna came to Franks hotel room late on the Saturday night (allegedly in his PJs ! !) and expressed concerns that something terrible was going to happen in the race the following day. Frank told him he didn't have to race, but I guess the driven side of Senna couldn't bear the thought of Schumacher gaining an even larger points advantage over him.
I believe that Sid Watkins and Senna also had some very deep and meaningful discussions both on the Friday and Saturday of that weekend.
The Proff states in his book that he's agnostic but I got the impression he knew or felt that Senna might be about to meet his maker that weekend (as indeed did Senna)
I think I'm right in saying that Frank Williams went on record as saying that Senna came to Franks hotel room late on the Saturday night (allegedly in his PJs ! !) and expressed concerns that something terrible was going to happen in the race the following day. Frank told him he didn't have to race, but I guess the driven side of Senna couldn't bear the thought of Schumacher gaining an even larger points advantage over him.
I believe that Sid Watkins and Senna also had some very deep and meaningful discussions both on the Friday and Saturday of that weekend.
The Proff states in his book that he's agnostic but I got the impression he knew or felt that Senna might be about to meet his maker that weekend (as indeed did Senna)
Very moving,that drive for williams getting a pig of a car on pole said it all for me .I stayed in and watched his funeral in Sao Paulo the Brasilians treated him like a saint,IMO F1 has not been the same since his loss,I found his thoughts and reactions to the accidents before the race involving Ratzenberger and Rubens just so profound,almost like he knew he shouldnt race but had too....G
Good, mainly because he was my childhood hero. Remember him konking out at silverstone & offering him a bottle of water. That was the closest I ever got but it was good enough for me 
Films good but mainly as it stirred up so many emotions from so long ago.
If you like motorsport, tt3d:closer to the edge & 24hours
ne team, one target are better.
Films good but mainly as it stirred up so many emotions from so long ago.
If you like motorsport, tt3d:closer to the edge & 24hours
ne team, one target are better.When I saw the Senna film first time, I also felt like coming on here (Pistonheads) and trying to alert the motoring world as to just how good it was.
I met the two director/producer lads and they are still buzzing from what they managed to produce. In most 'Film of the Year' reviews I've heard of, it's in the top 10 if not top 5 from 2011 and Oscars were considered for it.
I also think as a competitor Henry, you also have a proper empathy with the stresses and the rewards that if you are serious about doing well, just how much resource you go through to get a Club race win, and what he went through to get to the very top, the best/fastest in the World. It is very moving because the film does describe what we may find difficult to get across: the buzz and commitment of actual one-on-one competition race cars. Not that UK Club racing is THAT heavy, but the frission, the charcter is definitely there ...
Just as a PS, the producers told me they had a 5 hour film ready 2 years ago ... it took them that long to reduce it to the consumeable final film we see. The big imput was Bernie, letting them into the F1 library (twice! - unheard of) which made it as special as it gets. Both he, Ron Dennis and the Senna family were especially moved by the final draft. By the way, John Bisignano the commentator you critisise was a serious peddler in the UK himself for a while before moving on ...
No, I didn't 'like' Senna either. I rekoned anyone who thought whichever God was on there side would think themselves invincible, which was bloody dangerous for the rest of us. Anyway, I though Martin Brundle was the better man ...
I met the two director/producer lads and they are still buzzing from what they managed to produce. In most 'Film of the Year' reviews I've heard of, it's in the top 10 if not top 5 from 2011 and Oscars were considered for it.
I also think as a competitor Henry, you also have a proper empathy with the stresses and the rewards that if you are serious about doing well, just how much resource you go through to get a Club race win, and what he went through to get to the very top, the best/fastest in the World. It is very moving because the film does describe what we may find difficult to get across: the buzz and commitment of actual one-on-one competition race cars. Not that UK Club racing is THAT heavy, but the frission, the charcter is definitely there ...
Just as a PS, the producers told me they had a 5 hour film ready 2 years ago ... it took them that long to reduce it to the consumeable final film we see. The big imput was Bernie, letting them into the F1 library (twice! - unheard of) which made it as special as it gets. Both he, Ron Dennis and the Senna family were especially moved by the final draft. By the way, John Bisignano the commentator you critisise was a serious peddler in the UK himself for a while before moving on ...
No, I didn't 'like' Senna either. I rekoned anyone who thought whichever God was on there side would think themselves invincible, which was bloody dangerous for the rest of us. Anyway, I though Martin Brundle was the better man ...
Edited by ph123 on Wednesday 11th January 10:04
Edited by ph123 on Wednesday 11th January 10:07
I watched the movie on DVD over Christmas. My niece wanted us to see it. I think she has seen it at the movies three or four times. Bought all the various DVD's about his history and life style. She's got a little obsessed with Senna really. Even had the Senna 'S' tattoed on her left wrist.
What can I say. I've never been an avid Formula 1 fan. I admire all of the greats of which of course Senna was. I prefer to be doing it rather than watching it. I should say it frustrates me watching it. Not that in real terms have I raced that much. A few highlights over the years.
Politics. Can you imagine what it is like now. Even in lowly club racing politics rears its ugly head far to often. Interested to see his hero was Juan Manuel Fangio as is mine. There where many heart wrenching moments in the film. The interview with Jackie Stewart which I don't think either were very confortable with. The reality would you go in as hard if you knew your car was liable to become a fire ball ?.
I understand Prost when he says Senna thought he was invincible and one of those heart wrenching moments was watching Prost help carry the coffin.
Perhaps being a little contraversial as the film would be slighted in Senna's favour but I don't like bully's, I have never been a bully and I won't be bullied. Something that I have always taken to the race track with me. If you allow another competitor to bully you on or off the track you may as well hang your helmet up. One of the best at that game was Mr.Berridge. Great character.
What can I say. I've never been an avid Formula 1 fan. I admire all of the greats of which of course Senna was. I prefer to be doing it rather than watching it. I should say it frustrates me watching it. Not that in real terms have I raced that much. A few highlights over the years.
Politics. Can you imagine what it is like now. Even in lowly club racing politics rears its ugly head far to often. Interested to see his hero was Juan Manuel Fangio as is mine. There where many heart wrenching moments in the film. The interview with Jackie Stewart which I don't think either were very confortable with. The reality would you go in as hard if you knew your car was liable to become a fire ball ?.
I understand Prost when he says Senna thought he was invincible and one of those heart wrenching moments was watching Prost help carry the coffin.
Perhaps being a little contraversial as the film would be slighted in Senna's favour but I don't like bully's, I have never been a bully and I won't be bullied. Something that I have always taken to the race track with me. If you allow another competitor to bully you on or off the track you may as well hang your helmet up. One of the best at that game was Mr.Berridge. Great character.
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