Discussion
Quite often, if you watch the shows on TV, it seems that the favoured way to stop a police chase in the US is try to to fishtail the car out- ie Make the car spin by giving it a clout at the back !
Surely this can't be considered a safe way to stop a chase ?? Given the US love of SUVs and Pickups ( ie tall, roly-poly vehicles ) are they not more likely to casue an uncontrolled accident ?
Any idea on whether this is a practice used in the UK ?
Surely this can't be considered a safe way to stop a chase ?? Given the US love of SUVs and Pickups ( ie tall, roly-poly vehicles ) are they not more likely to casue an uncontrolled accident ?
Any idea on whether this is a practice used in the UK ?
Every time I see the yanks do this I have to comment on how amateur and cowboyish their police chases are. Our BiB control the incident whereas the yanks seem to htink it's all a video game. They need some training from over here I think.... although their new remote control stinger devices look good! 
Kicking them "out of play" really works best when you have a wanktank with poor to non-existant road-holding
If you tried that with the majority of European cars, unless done VERY hard, it wouldn't work, unless there is of course just a numpty behind the wheel.......all IMHO of course, after having driven those jellywobblers a lot in the USA
If you tried that with the majority of European cars, unless done VERY hard, it wouldn't work, unless there is of course just a numpty behind the wheel.......all IMHO of course, after having driven those jellywobblers a lot in the USA
Had to larf at "sherrif John J Bunnell" when he commented on the superiority of the police "cruisers".......only thing was, his cruiser had a hell of a game keeping pace with a ikkle Mk1 golf...and it outhandled his big fat, pig in a wheelbarrow handling Chevy Crap-prices......
Yank tanks, they just dont handle.
The above is a generalisation of course, and is my own personal opinion John, so please, take all the offence you want......oh and btw, get those choppers sorted!
Yank tanks, they just dont handle.
The above is a generalisation of course, and is my own personal opinion John, so please, take all the offence you want......oh and btw, get those choppers sorted!
Odds said:
Any idea on whether this is a practice used in the UK ?
It is not because its highly dangerous and difficult to achieve. Also there is no gaurantee where the offending vehicle will end up or how it will end up!
It puts lots of people at risk including the subject offending driver. We have ECHR to comply with which lays a duty of care on us even to those we are trying to catch. I imagine the USA have similar legislation but bend the rules to however it may suit them as in Camp DELTA, Guantanamo Bay
. >> Edited by gone on Friday 25th June 15:16
To paraphrase from our Pursuit Policy:
"Tactical contact" (ramming) is only to be used as a last resort when other options have been tried and failed, or when it can be clearly seen that other options although not tried, would not work, and there is a serious risk of death to a person"
Like I said, paraphrased. Basically it's a no-no, but if youu've got some mentalist running people over L,R&C, and there's ABSOLUTELY no other way to stop them, then it could be considered as an option.
Never mind the subject vehicle ("Rammee"), I wouldn't like to take a chance on where the Police vehicle ("Rammer") would end up...
Now as for secuirty/escort driving, that's a different matter...
"Tactical contact" (ramming) is only to be used as a last resort when other options have been tried and failed, or when it can be clearly seen that other options although not tried, would not work, and there is a serious risk of death to a person"
Like I said, paraphrased. Basically it's a no-no, but if youu've got some mentalist running people over L,R&C, and there's ABSOLUTELY no other way to stop them, then it could be considered as an option.
Never mind the subject vehicle ("Rammee"), I wouldn't like to take a chance on where the Police vehicle ("Rammer") would end up...
Now as for secuirty/escort driving, that's a different matter...
JMGS4 said:
Kicking them "out of play" really works best when you have a wanktank with poor to non-existant road-holding
If you tried that with the majority of European cars, unless done VERY hard, it wouldn't work, unless there is of course just a numpty behind the wheel.......all IMHO of course, after having driven those jellywobblers a lot in the USA
They occasionally show chases where the stolen vehicle is a big Merc or BMW and they try this trick, and indeed it doesn't work!
Dibble said:
To paraphrase from our Pursuit Policy:
"Tactical contact" (ramming) is only to be used as a last resort when other options have been tried and failed, or when it can be clearly seen that other options although not tried, would not work, and there is a serious risk of death to a person"
Like I said, paraphrased. Basically it's a no-no, but if youu've got some mentalist running people over L,R&C, and there's ABSOLUTELY no other way to stop them, then it could be considered as an option.
Never mind the subject vehicle ("Rammee"), I wouldn't like to take a chance on where the Police vehicle ("Rammer") would end up...
Now as for secuirty/escort driving, that's a different matter...
IIRC, there was a
on here who dinged his vehicle in a persuit... 
WMVH 470 wasn't it. Do you know him Dibble? 
roflmechsympathy said:
And the sermon from Sherriff Wotsit was about how the driver was lucky to get out alive....because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt (Rather than because he was rammed)
Sherrif John Bunell. What a complete cock the guy is. He is such a slimy, self loving creep who spouts more bul***t than New Labour.
Not too keen on the guy really.
The police pursuit thang has got so big in the US because of helicopter-equipped TV teams. Apparently people subscribe to a service where they get paged when there is a good pursuit on the go, and dash to the telly to see it. Because of this car thieves deliberately bait the cops into a good chase and wave out the window at the TV cameras - their way of become a legend in their own lunchtime!
They are very concerned over there by the number of pursuit related accidents affecting innocent bystanders, but can't abide the alternative of letting the miscreants drive off thus encouraging further car crime - bit of a catch 22 really.
Problem is not just the poor handling of the yank machines, but their size. One of their 2 tonne + SUVs running amok would do a hell of a lot of damage to whatever finally stopped it!
nel
They are very concerned over there by the number of pursuit related accidents affecting innocent bystanders, but can't abide the alternative of letting the miscreants drive off thus encouraging further car crime - bit of a catch 22 really.
Problem is not just the poor handling of the yank machines, but their size. One of their 2 tonne + SUVs running amok would do a hell of a lot of damage to whatever finally stopped it!
nel
Dibble said:
IIRC, there was a
Yes, t'was me (photos still avaiable in my profile). I was the rammEE rather than the rammER.
They do say to give is always better than to receive...
Oh really, I didn't know
yes i agree sheriff john brunell is an egotistical moron who thinks that the police could never do anything wrong and that all of their actions are more than justified.
Only an idiot would blow all 4 tires on a car with spike strips while it is travelling at 100 mph. That is just manslaughter by the cops. I've seen those idiots PIT maneuver on cars going 70 mph around pedestrians too!
Only an idiot would blow all 4 tires on a car with spike strips while it is travelling at 100 mph. That is just manslaughter by the cops. I've seen those idiots PIT maneuver on cars going 70 mph around pedestrians too!
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