slow market...
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isleofthorns

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694 posts

201 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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been browsing 996gt3's on and off for a while... seems a lot of cars I spotted several months ago remain unsold... where is the market at?

mollytherocker

14,470 posts

240 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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A subject of much discussion on here.

Owners are 'priming the market' and buyers are unsure.

But yes, many are not selling.

MTR

///ajd

8,964 posts

237 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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I was trying to buy a facelift CLK55 Cab recently - 2 private cars sold within a couple of weeks of being advertised, close to the asking price.

Only a tiny insight - but some stuff is selling it seems.

I ended up buying a Mini Cooper S - more choice....


marky911

4,434 posts

250 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Just had our wake up call as to how bad the market is, when we tried to sell my girlfriends Mini Cooper. Mint 53 reg, 60k miles, good spec. Struggled to get £3500 for it after dropping from £4295, £3995, £3695 over a few weeks.

Ok, not Porsche related and a different audience but if people haven't got £3500 for an everyday car, you know it's bad!

It's bleak out there.
Was looking to sell my 964T in the new year but really can't be bothered now.

mollytherocker

14,470 posts

240 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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marky911 said:
Just had our wake up call as to how bad the market is, when we tried to sell my girlfriends Mini Cooper. Mint 53 reg, 60k miles, good spec. Struggled to get £3500 for it after dropping from £4295, £3995, £3695 over a few weeks.

Ok, not Porsche related and a different audience but if people haven't got £3500 for an everyday car, you know it's bad!

It's bleak out there.
Was looking to sell my 964T in the new year but really can't be bothered now.
A mini and a 964T are not comparable. There are millions of minis and as such an oversupply = worth nowt.

964T totally different! People will pay for a good car.

MTR

marky911

4,434 posts

250 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Yep, as I said above, different markets but either way there's not much money getting spent out there. Well up here north of Newcastle anyway.

My mates are traders and not much is moving, simple as.

May be better down south but up here no-one is spending.

Edited by marky911 on Wednesday 23 November 08:45

marky911

4,434 posts

250 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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marky911 said:
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Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 November 08:51
Is that the point? wink

BertBert

21,335 posts

242 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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I think one of the best places to see the used porsche market in action is the 911V website. Henry would seem to be as good as they get at buying the correct stock and getting it gone quickly.

If you wanted to be anal about it you could keep a spreadsheet of what cars come in and how long till they get a "deposit taken" sticker! It would tell you what Henry thinks is sellable and whether her is right or not.

Bert

nickfrog

25,446 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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There is a lot morosity in the market that affects all price points at the moment, almost irrespective of supply. Prices are disproportionaly down compared the usual inherent winter drop, no question. Only the aggressively priced stuff sells, and then again it might only sell at a susbstantial discount against asking.

mollytherocker

14,470 posts

240 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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nickfrog said:
There is a lot morosity in the market that affects all price points at the moment, almost irrespective of supply. Prices are disproportionaly down compared the usual inherent winter drop, no question. Only the aggressively priced stuff sells, and then again it might only sell at a susbstantial discount against asking.
Its hard to see it recovering next year either. I fear 2012 is not going to be good.

MTR

nickfrog

25,446 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Or very good if you're buying !!!

daveyb662

1,722 posts

196 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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mollytherocker said:
Its hard to see it recovering next year either. I fear 2012 is not going to be good.

MTR
Always nice to read a bright and optimistic post!!

betternotbigger

1,059 posts

206 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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We'rrrre dooomed Cap'n Mainwaring, we're dooooooomed!!

Diesel130

1,549 posts

243 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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nickfrog said:
Or very good if you're buying !!!
Yep - I'll be quite happy if 7.1 GT3s get down to £45K in 2012... smile

turbo964

810 posts

214 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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Not sure about the pricing on the water cooled stuff but it seems a lot of people out there are pricing the air cooled stuff at crazy prices. eg, 993 nb with 60k+ on the clock for £30k.

Dont really think the market is any worse this year than its been the last couple with regards to the classic stuff.
At the end of the day, Nice sorted cars at the right price will sell quickly.

Edited by turbo964 on Wednesday 23 November 11:00

mollytherocker

14,470 posts

240 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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daveyb662 said:
mollytherocker said:
Its hard to see it recovering next year either. I fear 2012 is not going to be good.

MTR
Always nice to read a bright and optimistic post!!
I'm sorry guys, I dont mean to be pessimistic, just realistic. Believe it or not, I am a true optimist and always look for the upside of any situation.

But it is foolish to hide ones head in the sand too. I believe that this is how we got where we are now?

MTR

Stevej33

172 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2011
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nickfrog said:
Or very good if you're buying !!!
100% agree... If you're lucky enough to be a cash buyer, now is the time!!

Henry-F

4,791 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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BertBert said:
I think one of the best places to see the used porsche market in action is the 911V website. Henry would seem to be as good as they get at buying the correct stock and getting it gone quickly.

If you wanted to be anal about it you could keep a spreadsheet of what cars come in and how long till they get a "deposit taken" sticker! It would tell you what Henry thinks is sellable and whether her is right or not.

Bert
A couple of weeks ago we were very worried. Very worried indeed.













We thought we were going to run out of cars!


I kid you not. I think we were down to 10 cars available on one day. Now I'm not saying everything in the field is rosy, for the past few years our job of finding a position somewhere in between sellers who think their car is the only decent one available in the world and buyers who think they are the only buyer in the world has been a tricky one. But we sold 9 or 10 cars in week recently. That was part of the cause of the lack of stock.

The proof of the pudding is the fact our chequebook is wide open at the moment, well in these modern times it's actually a funny little calculator thingy which gives a magic number that allows us to fire off an instant CHAPS transfer but you get my drift!

What I will say is that crappy cars stand little chance of selling unless they are cheaper than the proverbial chips. Your car has to be fully sorted, a good base car that's presented properly. There are plenty of car's for sale which we've seen and rejected. Sometimes on the basis of price but other times because of issues.

As for how long a particular car takes to sell, well that's always been one of those great mysteries of the world. Over the years I bought countless Porsches which I was thrilled about knowing they would fly out of the door instantly. Except they didn't. They all sell but they just took longer than expected. Then there are loads of others which I've sucked air on and very nearly not bought for one reason or another. They sold the next day! Go figure.

I've long since given up worrying about what others are or aren't doing. I judge on what I know, our own activity and I'm happy we can keep plodding on.

Henry smile

kbf1981

2,351 posts

231 months

Thursday 24th November 2011
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nickfrog said:
Or very good if you're buying !!!
This. There are some steals at the mo on high end metal. Look at Lambo prices (or don't...don't want the market talked up haha), and tbh....some of the late 997's are amazing value. At £60k or something for a Gen 2, you're getting an amazing car.