Giving birth by cesarean

[hollydog]

Heard this morning that you will have a choose to have C section or a normal birth .Think its £1200 dearer to have a C section.
I say if you have no heath issues then a normal birth no choice .If you want a C section then you would have to pay the difference .Lets see how many go for that then .
Not got any problems with people wanting a C section but if you want it pay for it .
In my eyes if this does go through then it would take money away from people that would need help giving birth and need a C section.

Edited by hollydog on Wednesday 23 November 14:47

Edited by hollydog on Wednesday 23 November 14:48

[catso]

hollydog said:

I say if you have no heath issues then a normal birth no choice .If you want a C section then you would have to pay the difference

Agreed, the woman on the news this morning was fighting to get a c-section because she had a bad back! didn't stop her conceiving it though...

IMHO this, and also IVF should be paid for by the 'customer' it's not a right to have kids and if you can't do it naturally/cope with the ordeal then why should everyone else have to pay for it?...

[nellyleelephant]

Where does that end though? Fancy a drink? Pay for a new Liver?

[anonymous-user]

Not quite as black & white as you may think. Plenty of people have a "natural" birth only to have complications after, this costs the NHS £££££££££££ too.

[Deva Link]

hollydog said:

Heard this morning that you will have a choose to have C section or a normal birth .Think its £1200 dearer to have a C section.
I say if you have no heath issues then a normal birth no choice .If you want a C section then you would have to pay the difference .Lets see how many go for that then .

I haven't seen any suggestion that women will be asked to pay the extra cost.

[aberdeeneuan]

My wife had an emergency section - frankly I've no idea why you would choose to go through that. The recovery time afterwards is a nightmare as it's considerable surgery at the end of the day.

It's not an easy way out at all, but the lack of information is incredible.

[hollydog]

nellyleelephant said:

Where does that end though? Fancy a drink? Pay for a new Liver?

Would of thought theres more people having kids than people needing a new liver .Plus that could be a life saving op .

[aizvara]

aberdeeneuan said:

My wife had an emergency section - frankly I've no idea why you would choose to go through that. The recovery time afterwards is a nightmare as it's considerable surgery at the end of the day.

It's not an easy way out at all, but the lack of information is incredible.

Yes, this is how I feel.

I remember having to sign a form to acknowledge the risks when they wheeled my girlfriend into the theatre with the potential for a caesarean section. We really didn't want one. Funnily enough, I spoke to someone later who's wife needed the operation; she dropped into a month-long coma due to complications with the surgery. Obviously rare, but he told me that the surgeon described it as one of the most complex routine surgeries

[muffinmenace]

catso said:

Agreed, the woman on the news this morning was fighting to get a c-section because she had a bad back! didn't stop her conceiving it though...

IMHO this, and also IVF should be paid for by the 'customer' it's not a right to have kids and if you can't do it naturally/cope with the ordeal then why should everyone else have to pay for it?...

If couples want IVF then I'd generalize they're going to be better parents than some tart in it for a council flat. They pay taxes and have a right to benefit from that, they will hopefully spring out some sprogs that will go on to be a contribution to society.

I can't really comment on the C-Section as I'm not a woman and I don't have kids / plan on having any. Cynical me would say it's a vote winner for the Torys or it could just be that NICE feel it's time women were at least given the choice.

[hollydog]

I must agree with the ivf as well . People do think its there right have kids that ok but if nature says no then its no. If you wanted kids that badly than yet again pay for it . But it should be affordable as well .

[MK4 Slowride]

catso said:

hollydog said:

I say if you have no heath issues then a normal birth no choice .If you want a C section then you would have to pay the difference

Agreed, the woman on the news this morning was fighting to get a c-section because she had a bad back! didn't stop her conceiving it though...

IMHO this, and also IVF should be paid for by the 'customer' it's not a right to have kids and if you can't do it naturally/cope with the ordeal then why should everyone else have to pay for it?...

Also adoption is an option. Judging by the amount of large women these days I'd have thought it'd just fall out. They might not even know they're expecting.

[Miguel Alvarez]

aberdeeneuan said:

My wife had an emergency section - frankly I've no idea why you would choose to go through that. The recovery time afterwards is a nightmare as it's considerable surgery at the end of the day.

It's not an easy way out at all, but the lack of information is incredible.

I'd agree with this. We don't have kids but the missus had an albeit similar operation to remove some fibroids and the recovery time was a shock to us both. I have an all new appreciation for single mother's who go through this on their own with a newborn baby as well to look after.

[aberdeeneuan]

Miguel Alvarez said:

I'd agree with this. We don't have kids but the missus had an albeit similar operation to remove some fibroids and the recovery time was a shock to us both. I have an all new appreciation for single mother's who go through this on their own with a newborn baby as well to look after.

It's worse if you have a newborn and a toddler - you can't drive for 4-6 weeks, you can't pick up the toddler - it really impacts on the ability to look after the child without good family support around you.

When we had it (as I said, an emergency one), the recovery wasn't explained in the same way of reality. We really didn't want one and having been through it still have that view. My issue with this ruling is that it seems to be being made by accountants - it costs the same whatever delivery method you chose, therefore it doesn't matter - it does. If people want to pursue a section, they should be making that decision with the full facts being made available and on exception basis rather than the rule, maybe forcing them to do a number of anti-natal classes focussing on the implications of the decision and allow people to back out at any time.

I guess my real issue is that this is surgery for the sake of surgery rather than any good medical reason and that's not a good precedent.

[Fatman2]

Personally I reckon every woman that thinks they want a C-section should go and watch one being done first. I saw my 2nd daughter being delivered that way (due to complications) and it made for very interesting viewing

I have to say I wasn't as petrified as I thought I'd be but it isn't a simple procedure.

Sadly the wife set out with the intention of having another natural birth but it wasn't to be.

Natural should be compulsory IMHO unless there is a bloody good reason for it otherwise.

[youngsyr]

catso said:

hollydog said:

I say if you have no heath issues then a normal birth no choice .If you want a C section then you would have to pay the difference

Agreed, the woman on the news this morning was fighting to get a c-section because she had a bad back! didn't stop her conceiving it though...

IMHO this, and also IVF should be paid for by the 'customer' it's not a right to have kids and if you can't do it naturally/cope with the ordeal then why should everyone else have to pay for it?...

That's a pretty naive opinion on two counts, in my view. Having sex isn't even in the same league as giving birth in terms of the strain it puts on a woman's body, unless you're into traffic cone play?

Secondly, what makes you think that some people who need a c-section to give birth successfully haven't paid significantly more than their fair share into the pot and are actually therefore net contributors even taking the operation into account, rather than having "everyone else pay for it"?

[Mikeyboy]

aberdeeneuan said:

My wife had an emergency section - frankly I've no idea why you would choose to go through that. The recovery time afterwards is a nightmare as it's considerable surgery at the end of the day.

It's not an easy way out at all, but the lack of information is incredible.

I think this is the part thats lost on women who have a C-Section. They are a major surgical procedure with all the problems this brings.
regardless of cost I think it shouldn't be as free a choice as gas or air.

Edited by Mikeyboy on Wednesday 23 November 16:33

[rickybouy]

there are also many complications that can happen with a natural birth! I think it should be a choice thing.

[rickybouy]

to add my wife had an emergency c section after 12 hours of labor and I paid for it! 4k in Dubai

[Cheib]

My wife was a midwife and was desperate not to have a C section....as others have said it's a major operation and recovery is long especially when you have a new born to look after. She is constantly amazed that women elect to have them when there is no medical need.

[eldar]

Fatman2 said:

Natural should be compulsory IMHO unless there is a bloody good reason for it otherwise.

Quite what is 'natural' is a good question.