RE: Time for tea? Why crumple zones are important
RE: Time for tea? Why crumple zones are important
Monday 28th November 2011

Time for tea? Why crumple zones are important

1962 Cadillac meets 2002 Cadillac Deville head on



Okay, so we're dressing up today's boiling caffeine solution-related timewaster in a smock of scientific respectability, but it really is interesting - and horrifying to - to see just how much difference an absence of passive safety systems makes.

What we have for you (courtesy of Speed TV's 'Stuntbusters' programme) is a 2002 Cadillac Deville being flung head-on at a 1962 Cadillac Sedan de Ville, each car travelling at 50mph. Okay, so it's hardly the Volvo Cars Safety Centre in terms of scientific thoroughness, but it's still a sobering video.

And possibly a grown-up version of creating 'crashed' versions of your Corgi models with the artful use of a hammer...

 

 

 

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dave stew

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

188 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Yep, driving old cars is definitely bad for your health!

sparkster8

118 posts

213 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Sobering stuff.....

and all those people who tell me they don't build 'em like they used to .......

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

267 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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...not to mention certain specialist sports cars which fall well short of modern standards, being based on 50-year old designs.

sparkster8

118 posts

213 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Yep, driving old cars is definitely bad for your health!


Thing is I would rather drive the old car (assuming both in fair condition)..... just not into anything. Mind you if it was repeated with an original Mini it wouldn't be much fun either.

Lightningman

1,228 posts

203 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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sparkster8 said:
and all those people who tell me they don't build 'em like they used to .......
They don't...

...but that isn't a bad thing! biggrin

zebedee

4,593 posts

299 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Lightningman said:
They don't...

...but that isn't a bad thing! biggrin
haven't watched with sound, but why didn't they put a dummy in the other car too? Also, the old car was a wreck, so maybe the seat sheared off on rusted runners or something?

dylan39

42 posts

196 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Not only can i not stand American use of lbf (Pound-force) but to add insult to injury why must the presenter then refer to '247000 foot-pounds of force'!

Bring on James May - he seems about the only guy who knows his stuff!

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Oddball RS

1,757 posts

239 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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sparkster8 said:
Yep, driving old cars is definitely bad for your health!


Thing is I would rather drive the old car (assuming both in fair condition)..... just not into anything. Mind you if it was repeated with an original Mini it wouldn't be much fun either.
Problem is you would'nt hit someone in another Mini, which 'may' give you a chance, you would be hit by a Q7 on the School run.

gck303

204 posts

255 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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50 mph was too fast. Most cars would receive severe damage at that speed, especially in what was a partially offset frontal impact. Plus, a 2002 is still a rather old car.

This has been done recently in more controlled conditions by the US insurance industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U


diddly69

695 posts

198 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Very interesting. Shame the old dog got destroyed for the video. That '02 Deville is a hateful looking thing, 'good job!' biggrin

sparkster8

118 posts

213 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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[quote=gck303]50 mph was too fast. Most cars would receive severe damage at that speed, especially in what was a partially offset frontal impact. Plus, a 2002 is still a rather old car.

This has been done recently in more controlled conditions by the US insurance industry.



That is a very interesting clip, even if that '57 was lacking an engine which looked a distinct possibility.... as we all know though you do drive older cars differently in light of things like this. Even getting into a relatively late car like a Sierra makes you realise how far things have come as they feel small & fragile nowadays in comparison with new stuff. Older cars for me are mostly more interesting but you cannot deny how far things have come.

sparkster8

118 posts

213 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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This has got me thinking (no mean feat) - if I was to say that while I love old cars with big engines and a lack of grip for myself I would not really want my missus driving something like that so as much as I don't have much love her car I do appreciate the airbags etc etc.

Mind you she doesn't derive the same pleasure from going round a bend sideways that I do....

johnnyreggae

3,117 posts

181 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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What cars : who's the babe ?

gavgavgav

1,569 posts

250 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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that guys makes no sense when talking about crumple zones. Best watching this with mute on.

frosted

3,549 posts

198 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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dave stew said:
Yep, driving old cars is definitely bad for your health!
If you have cla crash they are , think I'm more worried of hitting a tree than a head on collision

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

194 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Smashing a 50 year old car up for entertainment? That pisses me off. Especially when it's to demonstrate something we already knew. Old car not as safe as new car. HOLY st STOP THE PRESSES WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN EXCEPT EVERYBODY???

... and yes, I'd rather own the old car and I'd happy drive it fully aware of the safety issues.

sparkster8

118 posts

213 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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johnnyreggae]What cars : who's the babe ?

Hehe !!



The Wookie

14,184 posts

249 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Have to say, I was quite impressed with how the old shed held up. If the seat hadn't sheared off and attempted to send itself along with its occupant into a ballistic trajectory it would have been a fairly unspectacular result

Richard A

181 posts

197 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Looks like the director was so obsessed with all the usual formulaic jump cuts and other modern editing rubbish, he/she forgot to show us the interior of the '62, especially the footwells, though I can guess it was not too good in there. There was a certain amount of external corrosion on the '62, so who knows what internal weaknesses there were, not that I'm going to pretend for an instant that modern cars aren't a thousand times better in terms of passenger cell strength. Having said that, A-pillars are starting to get so thick now that I now tend to move my head about a bit when negotiating tight corners, junctions and roundabouts - it's amazing how cyclists coming round a roundabout can 'loiter' in the A-pillar blind spot during the final approach.

Richard A

181 posts

197 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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The Wookie said:
Have to say, I was quite impressed with how the old shed held up. If the seat hadn't sheared off and attempted to send itself along with its occupant into a ballistic trajectory it would have been a fairly unspectacular result
Actually, yes, I was expecting it to be much worse.