Drivetrain suggestions needed
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So between April - September I'm considering making my daily commute (100 mile round trip) in a "Hot Rod" styled turtledeck Model T Ford.
For those of you who aren't familiar with this style of vehicle, think Lotus Sevenesque to give a very general idea.
During the "driving season" the car will cover approximately 13k miles over normal two lane roads, a mixture of A, B or unclassified. Think motorbiking roads to get the character.
Obviously fuel economy, reliability and ease of serviceability will be prime considerations.
Based upon front engined, RWD format, what suggestions do the PH massive have for engine, gearbox and back axle selection ?
I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox / back axle from an older Peugeot estate, perhaps 305 or 505 if I can find one.
Preparing for a flaming....
Jon
For those of you who aren't familiar with this style of vehicle, think Lotus Sevenesque to give a very general idea.
During the "driving season" the car will cover approximately 13k miles over normal two lane roads, a mixture of A, B or unclassified. Think motorbiking roads to get the character.
Obviously fuel economy, reliability and ease of serviceability will be prime considerations.
Based upon front engined, RWD format, what suggestions do the PH massive have for engine, gearbox and back axle selection ?
I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox / back axle from an older Peugeot estate, perhaps 305 or 505 if I can find one.
Preparing for a flaming....
Jon
It's fixable... said:
"Hot Rod" styled turtledeck Model T Ford.
I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox
Jon
I watched American Graffiti the other day. I think the yanks were missing a trick by not using Peugeot power. You could run it on chip oil too for the authentic hot rod feel.I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox
Jon
It's fixable... said:
So between April - September I'm considering making my daily commute (100 mile round trip) in a "Hot Rod" styled turtledeck Model T Ford.
For those of you who aren't familiar with this style of vehicle, think Lotus Sevenesque to give a very general idea.
During the "driving season" the car will cover approximately 13k miles over normal two lane roads, a mixture of A, B or unclassified. Think motorbiking roads to get the character.
Obviously fuel economy, reliability and ease of serviceability will be prime considerations.
Based upon front engined, RWD format, what suggestions do the PH massive have for engine, gearbox and back axle selection ?
I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox / back axle from an older Peugeot estate, perhaps 305 or 505 if I can find one.
Preparing for a flaming....
Jon
How much room have you ? It's going to make sense to try and find a rwd layout. so you can get the entire drivetrain. For those of you who aren't familiar with this style of vehicle, think Lotus Sevenesque to give a very general idea.
During the "driving season" the car will cover approximately 13k miles over normal two lane roads, a mixture of A, B or unclassified. Think motorbiking roads to get the character.
Obviously fuel economy, reliability and ease of serviceability will be prime considerations.
Based upon front engined, RWD format, what suggestions do the PH massive have for engine, gearbox and back axle selection ?
I was thinking NA 1900cc Peugeot XUD for the engine and gearbox / back axle from an older Peugeot estate, perhaps 305 or 505 if I can find one.
Preparing for a flaming....
Jon
Cheapish, if you have room for a straight 6. The Volvo 2.4 td engine ( 2.4 VW really )
Find a complete car and you get a fully mechanical diesel engine/box/axle
OK guys - thanks for the replies.
@ Stevieturbo I'll have a look into your suggestion - space for a straight six shouldn't be a problem, but a bit concerned about weight distribution and fuel economy.
@ Ch tard - I'm looking for the right "styling" (hence the selection of a closed bonnet body style) with fuel economy thrown in. I'd love to sling in a 392" hemi and mount mondo meats on the back, but for a period correct V8 achieving ~10mpg I'd be throwing 1300 gals or a shade under £8000 in the tank to run the car for six months. Stuff that. Even 50 mpg would cost more than £1500....
Anyone else got suggestions for a petrol sipping engine that fits the bill ?
Cheers
Jon
Jon
@ Stevieturbo I'll have a look into your suggestion - space for a straight six shouldn't be a problem, but a bit concerned about weight distribution and fuel economy.
@ Ch tard - I'm looking for the right "styling" (hence the selection of a closed bonnet body style) with fuel economy thrown in. I'd love to sling in a 392" hemi and mount mondo meats on the back, but for a period correct V8 achieving ~10mpg I'd be throwing 1300 gals or a shade under £8000 in the tank to run the car for six months. Stuff that. Even 50 mpg would cost more than £1500....
Anyone else got suggestions for a petrol sipping engine that fits the bill ?
Cheers
Jon
Jon
TBH, a well tuned modern V8 with fuel injection etc should be able to achieve decent mpg.
The likes of a Monaro can achieve 30mpg on a motorway cruise without much bother.
SO a very small lightweight car should do a little better. Although stop start traffic will still hurt
But any fairly modern 4cyl petrol engine should see you hit 40mpg I'd hope
Some 2.4td diesel Volvo owners will claim 40mpg, and with a manual it may be possible. I had an auto and it was maybe 32-33mpg. But a very simple engine so would make for an easy swap.
Or perhaps an oldish Mercedes diesel, or Nissan ( black taxi ? )
The likes of a Monaro can achieve 30mpg on a motorway cruise without much bother.
SO a very small lightweight car should do a little better. Although stop start traffic will still hurt
But any fairly modern 4cyl petrol engine should see you hit 40mpg I'd hope
Some 2.4td diesel Volvo owners will claim 40mpg, and with a manual it may be possible. I had an auto and it was maybe 32-33mpg. But a very simple engine so would make for an easy swap.
Or perhaps an oldish Mercedes diesel, or Nissan ( black taxi ? )
I'd go for a simple but modern small capacity petrol engine, with a transmission with a nice tall top gear (to downspeed).
Something like the Aygo/C1 (1 litre, 3 cyls and 70bhp) but in a much nicer to drive package than the old pug oil burner. With the correct gearing and driven gently (read slowly for a car with the aerodynamic drag of an outhouse !) it would return very good mpg. But then when given some stick it would go ok (i assume you cars going to be pretty low mass) and even sound interesting (like half a 911 ;-)
You will have to find a rwd drivetrain to suit, but it wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to link it up to say an MX5 gearbox and diff (infact, use the complete MX5 suspension etc)
Something like the Aygo/C1 (1 litre, 3 cyls and 70bhp) but in a much nicer to drive package than the old pug oil burner. With the correct gearing and driven gently (read slowly for a car with the aerodynamic drag of an outhouse !) it would return very good mpg. But then when given some stick it would go ok (i assume you cars going to be pretty low mass) and even sound interesting (like half a 911 ;-)
You will have to find a rwd drivetrain to suit, but it wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to link it up to say an MX5 gearbox and diff (infact, use the complete MX5 suspension etc)
Without VCT the early Mx5's don't get massively good fuel economy considering they are only 1.6/1.8 As the OP's car is likely to be significantly worse in terms of aero drag then he might not even return MX5 levels of economy? Advantage of course of a complete MX5 transplant is that they are cheap and availible (just find a crashed/rust early MX5) and would be simple to transplant into something else without massive electronic headaches of a more modern powertrain.
Dare I mention a 'K' series Rover 1.8 petrol? Great engines as long as you get the cooling system right. In the old days they used to make good everyday rod usage. They are hard engines that you can toy with providing you get one that isn't weak at the headgasket or has been repaired with a decent upgraded gasket. Worth a thought?!
The only trouble is the fuel injection if you can't get any old carb'd type (pre '95) but from what I've heard they bolt on to many different boxes so you could mate it up fairly easily.
The only trouble is the fuel injection if you can't get any old carb'd type (pre '95) but from what I've heard they bolt on to many different boxes so you could mate it up fairly easily.
A later Lexus V8 with its five speed auto box and a high rear axle ratio ( say 3.08, or 3.31 at a push)would get you 32 to 35 mpg tootling about and 275 to 300 bhp when you're in the mood to enjoy the twisties.
We have a Lexus V8 powered Cobra weighing 1235 kg with the 4 speed box and a 3.54 diff( too low tbh) and we're getting just over 30mpg. A previous 1300kg Cobra with a BMW 4.4 V8, 5 speed auto box and a 3.31 diff gave 35 mpg when driven gently.
hth,
Cheers,
Tony
We have a Lexus V8 powered Cobra weighing 1235 kg with the 4 speed box and a 3.54 diff( too low tbh) and we're getting just over 30mpg. A previous 1300kg Cobra with a BMW 4.4 V8, 5 speed auto box and a 3.31 diff gave 35 mpg when driven gently.
hth,
Cheers,
Tony
Munter said:
Wonder if you could make use of say a E36 BMW. Plenty of engine options including diesel for economy.Uses 4 & 6 pot BMW engines, so should be possible to use the diesels, the 318tds is the obvious choice being the smallest of the range.
It's a bit agricultural though.
VAG 1.4 TDi 3 pot is a nice small engine, amazing on fuel too and 100 bhp with a remap!
Or even better, import a 1.2 TDi from Germany.
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