300mph road car how long?
300mph road car how long?
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Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

219 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Not one offs I mean full production.

How many years are we away from this?

Clearly they could have made the Veyron SS and F1 max out at 200mph the acceleration would be monumentally quicker than they are due to longer gearing.

So I guess if we had the Veyron SS and the McLaren F1 how much more power would they need to max out at 300mph as in geared to hit that in highest gear right on the engine limiter.

I'm assuming there are plenty of Engineers in PHead so the challenge should you choose to accept it is to accurately calculate the power required and the test circuit would be the Nado ringand we will assume 16 degrees ambient temp and zero head or tail wind.


GC8

19,910 posts

211 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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300mph tyres are far more of a problem than a '300mph car'.

randomwalk

534 posts

185 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Given the exponential increase in power required to reach 300mph in a road car and the considerations of emissions and fuel consumption in the future I do not think it is a likely outcome. Perhaps with new power plants such as fuel cells or hydrogen powered engines it may be attained.

MX7

7,902 posts

195 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Never is my guess. Apart from anything else, car companies are having an ever increasing amount of regulation.

V8mate

45,899 posts

210 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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14'-16'.

DrTre

12,957 posts

253 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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V8mate said:
14'-16'.
So, so tiresomely predictable...and quicker on the keyboard than me..

EDLT

15,421 posts

227 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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GC8 said:
300mph tyres are far more of a problem than a '300mph car'.
Drag/salt flat racers and have been doing it for years. With the fashion for cars like the FXX/Zonda R that you buy but don't keep I could see someone releasing a road legal "thing" that can only do 200 miles on a set of tyres and the manufacturer will carry it around in a truck when not in use (for a price).

Huff

3,365 posts

212 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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randomwalk said:
Given the exponential increase in power required to reach 300mph in a road car and the considerations of emissions and fuel consumption in the future I do not think it is a likely outcome. Perhaps with new power plants such as fuel cells or hydrogen powered engines it may be attained.
Exactly. Back-of-envelope says c.1800Hp min. is indicated; an honest, sustained 1800hp at that, to push a 'regular format' car so fast. Even overlooking the tyre problem that's not going to happen in series production.

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

243 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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I thought a mapped 335d would do 300mph?

Panayiotis

503 posts

230 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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The problem I forsee is firstly making it financially viable, but also viable for someone to be able to drive it. This is what amazing me about the Bugatti, from what I have seen, apart from its physical size, it's not an incredibly difficult car to drive

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

267 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Where you be able to drive it? There's virtually nowhere to use a 200 mph car!

In any event, fuel consumption would be so high that a 300 mph car would almost certainly be slower than a 150 mph car for any journey lasting more than 5 minutes - bearing in mind it would cover 25 miles in that time.

EDLT

15,421 posts

227 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Where you be able to drive it? There's virtually nowhere to use a 200 mph car!

In any event, fuel consumption would be so high that a 300 mph car would almost certainly be slower than a 150 mph car for any journey lasting more than 5 minutes - bearing in mind it would cover 25 miles in that time.
There is nowhere in this country to use an 80mph road car wink

Stu R

21,416 posts

236 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Where you be able to drive it? There's virtually nowhere to use a 200 mph car!

In any event, fuel consumption would be so high that a 300 mph car would almost certainly be slower than a 150 mph car for any journey lasting more than 5 minutes - bearing in mind it would cover 25 miles in that time.
Yes, those pesky Veyron SuperSports, travelling everywhere at circa 250mph.

blank

3,703 posts

209 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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A Veyron would need around an extra 700 bhp to reach 300 mph (fag packet calculation).

I reckon maybe 5 years or so.

bmthnick1981

5,317 posts

237 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Fort Jefferson said:
I thought a mapped 335d would do 300mph?
That's ridiculous.

A mapped 335d will do 325mph. At least.

rottie102

4,033 posts

205 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Panayiotis said:
This is what amazing me about the Bugatti, from what I have seen, apart from its physical size, it's not an incredibly difficult car to drive
Have you ever seen one in real life? They are much smaller than you would expect.

MrDarkBlack

3,962 posts

197 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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bmthnick1981 said:
Fort Jefferson said:
I thought a mapped 335d would do 300mph?
That's ridiculous.

A mapped 335d will do 325mph. At least.
yes It's the 330d that does 300mph.

Panayiotis

503 posts

230 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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rottie102 said:
Have you ever seen one in real life? They are much smaller than you would expect.
I have and in no way are they small, maybe not as large as a v12 lambo, but they are larger than a mondeo, which for a relatively small cockpit is a lot of car around you.

But that is a minor point.

Flibble

6,531 posts

202 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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bmthnick1981 said:
That's ridiculous.

A mapped 335d will do 325mph. At least.
I thought the 335 in the name was the max speed? confused

Patrick Bateman

12,970 posts

195 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Given the difference in top speed between the F1 and the Veyron over a whole decade I think it will be a while away yet.