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A few weeks ago I witnessed this collision...
http://youtu.be/UGcyxjqt2mk
...a few people asked me what I thought happened so I posted this...
http://youtu.be/ya9RhHiJtfQ
...I gave a copies of the original recording to the Police, Fire service and the local councils Highways Agency.
My concludion that the slip road was too short and contributed to the collision was agreeded with by the Police, Fire Service and yesterday I got an email from the Highways Agency saying they are going to redesign the junction and will have new plans by the end of the year.
Result.
http://youtu.be/UGcyxjqt2mk
...a few people asked me what I thought happened so I posted this...
http://youtu.be/ya9RhHiJtfQ
...I gave a copies of the original recording to the Police, Fire service and the local councils Highways Agency.
My concludion that the slip road was too short and contributed to the collision was agreeded with by the Police, Fire Service and yesterday I got an email from the Highways Agency saying they are going to redesign the junction and will have new plans by the end of the year.
Result.
I emailed Warrington Council stating that worn road markings were causing drivers to choose the wrong lane on approach to a major junction, resulting in potential collisions.
They wrote back to me a few weeks later saying they would re-paint the road markings by the end of October.
Still waiting for it to be done...
They wrote back to me a few weeks later saying they would re-paint the road markings by the end of October.
Still waiting for it to be done...
Good on you for making the videos and trying to make a difference 
There's a similar junction to this turning towards Twyford\Ruscombe, from the A4 at the Wyvale Nursery. The slip road from the main road (A4) has to give way for traffic cutting across the A4 (i.e. turning right from the opposite direction). It looks like a very complicated solution to what should be a simple junction!
There's a similar junction to this turning towards Twyford\Ruscombe, from the A4 at the Wyvale Nursery. The slip road from the main road (A4) has to give way for traffic cutting across the A4 (i.e. turning right from the opposite direction). It looks like a very complicated solution to what should be a simple junction!
Alex said:
Good work! Although the music hurts my ears.
It's preferable to my passenger who forgot the camera was on and decided to call all her friends to have a gossip about it rather than call the Police. 
Terrorvision on the second video because it was the only track on my laptop the same length.
mnkiboy said:
I emailed Warrington Council stating that worn road markings were causing drivers to choose the wrong lane on approach to a major junction, resulting in potential collisions.
They wrote back to me a few weeks later saying they would re-paint the road markings by the end of October.
Still waiting for it to be done...
The ones on the run upto the the M62 junction?They wrote back to me a few weeks later saying they would re-paint the road markings by the end of October.
Still waiting for it to be done...
Or further down the A49 near to McDonalds that has 2 centrelines in the road that are both faded and no-one knows which to use?
Chrisw666 said:
Sorry but the person who drove in front of the van was a f
king moron.
While I agree that anyone would have looked twice to make sure in respect she saw a van slowing at the end of the slip road, no signal but hey it's a van and acted instinctively. As I already stated by the time she realised she had made the mistake it was too late for either driver to do anything about it. For our point of view and with the clarity of hindsight we can name call if we wish but we all make mistakes. king moron. There have certainly been enough collisions and near misses on that junction to prove that it is more than driver error causing problems.
Eh, the van didn't have a flasher on, and no matter how long the slip road is, people can enter it wherever they like along it. So a longer slip road won't prevent these types of accidents.
Seems to be a solution based on assumptions.
Drivers deciding to cross the flow of traffic when they turn right, will have to assume that oncoming traffic WILL enter the slip road at it's furthest extent if they are turning down the same road they are.
However in this example, if the turning driver assumed the van was going to enter the slip road, then they clearly thought they were going to enter it very late anyway.
So drivers who turn across the flow of traffic already show they DON'T assume drivers will be in the slip road at it's extents if they are intending to turn.
I'd say something else here is the cause of the accidents. Perhaps separating the slip road away from the main carriageway before joining with the lane of the side road would be a better idea, so the slip road becomes a fork from the main carriageway you have to get into, which is a more positive movement for traffic turning across the main carriageway to see (less likely to mis-read someone's intended path)
Hmmm
Dave
Seems to be a solution based on assumptions.
Drivers deciding to cross the flow of traffic when they turn right, will have to assume that oncoming traffic WILL enter the slip road at it's furthest extent if they are turning down the same road they are.
However in this example, if the turning driver assumed the van was going to enter the slip road, then they clearly thought they were going to enter it very late anyway.
So drivers who turn across the flow of traffic already show they DON'T assume drivers will be in the slip road at it's extents if they are intending to turn.
I'd say something else here is the cause of the accidents. Perhaps separating the slip road away from the main carriageway before joining with the lane of the side road would be a better idea, so the slip road becomes a fork from the main carriageway you have to get into, which is a more positive movement for traffic turning across the main carriageway to see (less likely to mis-read someone's intended path)
Hmmm
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
I'd say something else here is the cause of the accidents. Perhaps separating the slip road away from the main carriageway before joining with the lane of the side road would be a better idea, so the slip road becomes a fork from the main carriageway you have to get into, which is a more positive movement for traffic turning across the main carriageway to see (less likely to mis-read someone's intended path)
Dave
That's how it was before they made it "safer". Dave
At 0.33 to 0.35 you can see the old slip road that made the junction into a triangle.
tescor said:
Good on you for making the videos and trying to make a difference
There's a similar junction to this turning towards Twyford\Ruscombe, from the A4 at the Wyvale Nursery. The slip road from the main road (A4) has to give way for traffic cutting across the A4 (i.e. turning right from the opposite direction). It looks like a very complicated solution to whatshould be was a simple junction!
EFA - They changed that junction and made it worse, just like they have at the winnersh junction of the A329m and the A327 junctions through shinfield. Then they say their isn't enough money to resurface the desperatly poor roads around this area. There's a similar junction to this turning towards Twyford\Ruscombe, from the A4 at the Wyvale Nursery. The slip road from the main road (A4) has to give way for traffic cutting across the A4 (i.e. turning right from the opposite direction). It looks like a very complicated solution to what
Really gets on my nerves (especially the traffic lights they put on roundabouts.)
/Rant
On a more positive note - good work OP, Hopefully the local authority will take note now :-)
Mr Whippy said:
Eh, the van didn't have a flasher on, and no matter how long the slip road is, people can enter it wherever they like along it. So a longer slip road won't prevent these types of accidents.
Seems to be a solution based on assumptions.
Drivers deciding to cross the flow of traffic when they turn right, will have to assume that oncoming traffic WILL enter the slip road at it's furthest extent if they are turning down the same road they are.
However in this example, if the turning driver assumed the van was going to enter the slip road, then they clearly thought they were going to enter it very late anyway.
So drivers who turn across the flow of traffic already show they DON'T assume drivers will be in the slip road at it's extents if they are intending to turn.
I'd say something else here is the cause of the accidents. Perhaps separating the slip road away from the main carriageway before joining with the lane of the side road would be a better idea, so the slip road becomes a fork from the main carriageway you have to get into, which is a more positive movement for traffic turning across the main carriageway to see (less likely to mis-read someone's intended path)
Hmmm
Dave
But not seeing an orange bulb blinking doesn't say much, many people don't indicate or indicate very late, Mirror Signal Manoeuvre seems to have become Signal and Manoeuvre then check no one has had to take evasive action. Seems to be a solution based on assumptions.
Drivers deciding to cross the flow of traffic when they turn right, will have to assume that oncoming traffic WILL enter the slip road at it's furthest extent if they are turning down the same road they are.
However in this example, if the turning driver assumed the van was going to enter the slip road, then they clearly thought they were going to enter it very late anyway.
So drivers who turn across the flow of traffic already show they DON'T assume drivers will be in the slip road at it's extents if they are intending to turn.
I'd say something else here is the cause of the accidents. Perhaps separating the slip road away from the main carriageway before joining with the lane of the side road would be a better idea, so the slip road becomes a fork from the main carriageway you have to get into, which is a more positive movement for traffic turning across the main carriageway to see (less likely to mis-read someone's intended path)
Hmmm
Dave
It is poor road design I wonder how often the main road gets held up by the sliproad being too short, there are junctions local to me that can take 5 or 6 cars but regularly have 20-30 in them meaning the main road backs up and the junction doesn't work properly.
Just an update. Following another three collisions they've moved the schedule forward and this was what the junction looked like today.
http://youtu.be/B7wPy07oXqM
Hat's off the the King's Lynn and West Norfolk Borough Council for pulling their collective finger out and getting it done.
http://youtu.be/B7wPy07oXqM
Hat's off the the King's Lynn and West Norfolk Borough Council for pulling their collective finger out and getting it done.
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