Missing V5 number plate change advice needed
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Hi All I wonder if you can help. I am supposed to be buying a 996 on Saturday and its a long trip the owner has only today removed his private plate at DVLA this means I think no V5 present etc. He has been in the police for 25 years and has emailed this tonight:Wouldyoupart with your cash or wait unti the new V5 and the old plate was back on? What are the legal issues. I know he should have removed plate before selling but he has not . Thanks in advance see below
[I couldn't get away from work to make it to the DVLA office today but will sort it tomorrow. If there is a problem with the log book we can resolve it by signing a document confirming your ownership of the car and the time you take possession. This will confirm your ownership of the car in addition to the physical possession of the vehicle and will also indemnify us from any motoring offences (hopefully none) you could accumulate between Saturday and the arrival of the log book. Would this be in order with you?[
[I couldn't get away from work to make it to the DVLA office today but will sort it tomorrow. If there is a problem with the log book we can resolve it by signing a document confirming your ownership of the car and the time you take possession. This will confirm your ownership of the car in addition to the physical possession of the vehicle and will also indemnify us from any motoring offences (hopefully none) you could accumulate between Saturday and the arrival of the log book. Would this be in order with you?[
I imagine its quite common practice. It depends on how much you trust the seller. Have you already seen the V5. Did it have his name and address on it. I have sold cars like this before, I advertise the car ,not sure if it will sell or if I really want to sell it so don't want to remove number plate. Then if buyer views I show them the V5 and make sure they are happy I am owner etc. Once they leave a deposit I photocopy V5 and do transfer with DVLA. Its then up to the buyer if they want to collect car straight away with just copy of old V5 or wait for new one to arrive. I have never had any problems when I have done it this way.
What about this?
The seller cannot dispose of the vehicle before the transfer is complete - there a specific caution to this in the paperwork (V319).
The only way round it is for you to be the RK (ie V5 in your name); you can then give permission for the transfer by signing the V5 as the RK of the donor vehicle.
The transfer takes a couple of days (it used to be done over-the-counter while you waited, but sadly no longer). New V5s after about 4 weeks.
The seller cannot dispose of the vehicle before the transfer is complete - there a specific caution to this in the paperwork (V319).
The only way round it is for you to be the RK (ie V5 in your name); you can then give permission for the transfer by signing the V5 as the RK of the donor vehicle.
The transfer takes a couple of days (it used to be done over-the-counter while you waited, but sadly no longer). New V5s after about 4 weeks.
It's not the most uncommon thing. I'd hope he's kept copies of the V5C and MOT (if applicable) so that you can verify that the car's registered to him at the address you're visiting. Copies can be doctored of course, so in general it's ideal to see the original for yourself, but at the very least ask to see his driving licence - a photo of him holding this next to the car outside the house is a useful record to have too (no-one legit ever minds).
You can check the V5 is the most current one, by going here:
www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk
Click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg number, select Porsche from the list of makes, and enter the document reference number (ask the seller for this now) in the optional box lower down the page, then click "next". The result will show various details about the car (colour, capacity, CO2 rating, when tax is due and cost, date of first reg'n) and will show the "date of V5C issued" as the same as the one (or copy) that you've used to check - if it doesn't then chances are the V5C is not the most up to date one (or a fake).
If he's not sent anything off to DVLA yet, ask him to wait until you've been so you can see and check all original documents and if all goes well you can complete the paperwork and both go to the postbox to send it off.
You can check the V5 is the most current one, by going here:
www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk
Click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg number, select Porsche from the list of makes, and enter the document reference number (ask the seller for this now) in the optional box lower down the page, then click "next". The result will show various details about the car (colour, capacity, CO2 rating, when tax is due and cost, date of first reg'n) and will show the "date of V5C issued" as the same as the one (or copy) that you've used to check - if it doesn't then chances are the V5C is not the most up to date one (or a fake).
If he's not sent anything off to DVLA yet, ask him to wait until you've been so you can see and check all original documents and if all goes well you can complete the paperwork and both go to the postbox to send it off.
I have done this a couple of times when buying cars with cherished plates.
Buy the car with the existing registration on it. Transfer the ownership documentation to your name. Obtain original reg and transfer cherished plate back to seller.
If you note this as agreed between both parties on the receipt then the ONLY risk is the new owner transferring the old plate. (a LOT less risk than not owning the car after you have paid for it.)
Requires some trust but not too much!
Buy the car with the existing registration on it. Transfer the ownership documentation to your name. Obtain original reg and transfer cherished plate back to seller.
If you note this as agreed between both parties on the receipt then the ONLY risk is the new owner transferring the old plate. (a LOT less risk than not owning the car after you have paid for it.)
Requires some trust but not too much!
Pugley said:
I have done this a couple of times when buying cars with cherished plates.
Buy the car with the existing registration on it. Transfer the ownership documentation to your name. Obtain original reg and transfer cherished plate back to seller.
If you note this as agreed between both parties on the receipt then the ONLY risk is the new owner transferring the old plate. (a LOT less risk than not owning the car after you have paid for it.)
Requires some trust but not too much!
That would be my preferedoption or wait until its all sorted as I have the insurance change also etc plus which plate do I use for HPI if I use the one on now it'sonly valid for a week !!Buy the car with the existing registration on it. Transfer the ownership documentation to your name. Obtain original reg and transfer cherished plate back to seller.
If you note this as agreed between both parties on the receipt then the ONLY risk is the new owner transferring the old plate. (a LOT less risk than not owning the car after you have paid for it.)
Requires some trust but not too much!
Absolutely no prob. Have done this every time I have bought or sold.
The DVLA now state on the red v5 docs that this does not confirm OWNER of the car, only who is responsible for taxing and mot'ing, etc. So he is correct in saying a signed invoice will prove ownership has transferred to you.
So ignore all this 'your cash, your call'. Not like log books of old, it doesn't matter who is on the logbook, owner is separate issue. Of course you need to do the checks people mention, in order to ensure he IS the owner in the first place - and authorised to sell to you!
From the sounds of it, it would be fine by me...
The DVLA now state on the red v5 docs that this does not confirm OWNER of the car, only who is responsible for taxing and mot'ing, etc. So he is correct in saying a signed invoice will prove ownership has transferred to you.
So ignore all this 'your cash, your call'. Not like log books of old, it doesn't matter who is on the logbook, owner is separate issue. Of course you need to do the checks people mention, in order to ensure he IS the owner in the first place - and authorised to sell to you!
From the sounds of it, it would be fine by me...
thegoose said:
It's not the most uncommon thing. I'd hope he's kept copies of the V5C and MOT (if applicable) so that you can verify that the car's registered to him at the address you're visiting. Copies can be doctored of course, so in general it's ideal to see the original for yourself, but at the very least ask to see his driving licence - a photo of him holding this next to the car outside the house is a useful record to have too (no-one legit ever minds).
You can check the V5 is the most current one, by going here:
www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk
Click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg number, select Porsche from the list of makes, and enter the document reference number (ask the seller for this now) in the optional box lower down the page, then click "next". The result will show various details about the car (colour, capacity, CO2 rating, when tax is due and cost, date of first reg'n) and will show the "date of V5C issued" as the same as the one (or copy) that you've used to check - if it doesn't then chances are the V5C is not the most up to date one (or a fake).
If he's not sent anything off to DVLA yet, ask him to wait until you've been so you can see and check all original documents and if all goes well you can complete the paperwork and both go to the postbox to send it off.
Thannks for that I am pretty sure the guy is 100% police office for 25 years my real issue is the whole thing even legal and willmy insurance be void. DVLC did not seem to like the idea of driving off with his plate still on as he would have already sent docs of for retention!!You can check the V5 is the most current one, by going here:
www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk
Click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg number, select Porsche from the list of makes, and enter the document reference number (ask the seller for this now) in the optional box lower down the page, then click "next". The result will show various details about the car (colour, capacity, CO2 rating, when tax is due and cost, date of first reg'n) and will show the "date of V5C issued" as the same as the one (or copy) that you've used to check - if it doesn't then chances are the V5C is not the most up to date one (or a fake).
If he's not sent anything off to DVLA yet, ask him to wait until you've been so you can see and check all original documents and if all goes well you can complete the paperwork and both go to the postbox to send it off.
Pugley said:
Buy the car with the existing registration on it. Transfer the ownership documentation to your name. Obtain original reg and transfer cherished plate back to seller.
Good luck getting anyone to agree to this with a valuable plate! There's no way in the world I'd let my car AND number plate go together. Only the registered keeper can apply to transfer/retain the number so if you let someone drive off with your plate on their car you really are at a great risk of never seeing your number plate again 
The correct procedure is that yes, the current owner should get a V5 back in the normal age-related number before then selling the car. The reality is this rarely happens and common practice is to apply to retain/transfer the plate at point of sale.
Do be aware that for vehicles over a certain age (10 years I think) and others picked out at random (but very few indeed - perhaps 1 or 2%?), the donor vehicle will need to be inspected at a DVLA office, so as a seller you should make this clear to the buyer and get their undertaking that they're happy to present the car at their local DVLA office (regardless of which DVLA local office the retention/transfer application was made to) for inspection. It's a very simple inspection - a guy from the office checks that the VIN is where it should be and doesn't look dodgy, then the application is processed.
barriejames said:
Thannks for that I am pretty sure the guy is 100% police office for 25 years my real issue is the whole thing even legal and willmy insurance be void. DVLC did not seem to like the idea of driving off with his plate still on as he would have already sent docs of for retention!!
You should insure it on his plate and as soon as you get the new MOT (if applicable) and tax disc through the post from the seller fit new number plates (if he hasn't got the old set then it's a trip to Halfords for you) and tax disc and notify the insurance company of the new number. Some charge a £25 admin fee for this, unless maybe you mention it when taking cover out and convince them to waive it for you. Magic919 said:
I'd suggest he holds the V5 until you turn up to buy. Then sort out the retention but have him change it to c/o your address. This way you get the new tax and the V5 arrives later on. Then squiggle on the V5 and back-date the change of keeper.
I cant see him going for this but I like it!!Wish Id never started with this sellers really should be ready to sell, I hate things that cant be clarified when spending hard earned cashMagic919 said:
Retention will be in his name, so low risk for him. Someone has to do some trusting here.
just recieved this from the seller would you all be happy with this?What I propose we do is: I retain the V5 until Saturday to allow you to sight the document. Provided you're happy with the car I retain the V5 to arrange for retention and then as soon as I then receive the documentation back from Swansea I can forward to you by recorded delivery. It would mean me trusting you not to claim ownership of the registration number by obtaining a new V5 in the interim. I would suggest that on Saturday we both sign an agreement that the car is your property excluding the number plate and that I undertake to enter your details as registered keeper immediately on the return of the documentation from Swansea. I would sign a receipt from you acknowledging receipt of payment in full for the car and transferring ownership to you. You would acknowledge receipt of the car and taking ownership of it.
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