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Well done Rob. Welcome to the forum BTW.
Just a query, is this the 996 Turbo S with the standard fitted PCCB(revised) ceramic brakes or is this a new turbo based on the forthcoming 997?
Just be mindful that not every owner of 996 cars with the original type ceramic discs are happy with them. They can have problems if tracked aggresively.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Monday 28th June 23:09
Just a query, is this the 996 Turbo S with the standard fitted PCCB(revised) ceramic brakes or is this a new turbo based on the forthcoming 997?
Just be mindful that not every owner of 996 cars with the original type ceramic discs are happy with them. They can have problems if tracked aggresively.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Monday 28th June 23:09
rich1231 said:
I'm hearing longer than 2 years, especially for an "S" version, if there is is going to be one.
Seeing as they've only just come up with a 996 turbo S, (and want to push it for a while) I'd guess that the 2 years may well be for a 997 turbo, with an 'S' variant possibly several years later.
Glenn I wouldn't worry too much. With PCCB on the turbo I think you get larger discs and calipers than the standard steel units. If you don't get on with the PCCB you can swap for steel discs for a fraction of the PCCB replacement costs. You should end up with more powerful braking either way.
It really does stagger me at times how Porsche treat their customers though. Can I ask the time frame from final speccing, to deciding against the PCCB and the estimated delivery date? I mean does the dealer really want to sale you subsequent cars? I'm beginning to think HenryF is correct with most of them not giving a damn.
DAZ
It really does stagger me at times how Porsche treat their customers though. Can I ask the time frame from final speccing, to deciding against the PCCB and the estimated delivery date? I mean does the dealer really want to sale you subsequent cars? I'm beginning to think HenryF is correct with most of them not giving a damn.
DAZ
Daz,
Ordered and Specced the car last year, for August delivery this year.
Rang them a couple of weeks ago after hearing nightmare stories on PCCB to see if I could despec it and go for standard steel units. They rang the factory to ask for me, to be told that the car was in build, so this was not an option. After getting excited about getting the car early now its in build, they then told me that in build only means that the parts for the car have already been ordered (from where ?)
In know that the brakes will be good, but what Pi**es me off is the fact that this may well have a negative effect on the resale value of the come time to sell, and this will be 5.5k down the pan !!!!!
Ordered and Specced the car last year, for August delivery this year.
Rang them a couple of weeks ago after hearing nightmare stories on PCCB to see if I could despec it and go for standard steel units. They rang the factory to ask for me, to be told that the car was in build, so this was not an option. After getting excited about getting the car early now its in build, they then told me that in build only means that the parts for the car have already been ordered (from where ?)
In know that the brakes will be good, but what Pi**es me off is the fact that this may well have a negative effect on the resale value of the come time to sell, and this will be 5.5k down the pan !!!!!
Granted a portion of the £5,500 PCCB cost will be lost come resale time but the same can be said about most optional extras. If every PCCB owner in the country has a problem with the discs the effect on resale will be negligible provided alternative steel discs and pads are available.
Porsches attitude does leave a bad taste though as I would guess if you were contacting them at the same stage to add additional cost options to the car they would have obliged.
BTW concentrate on enjoying the car.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Wednesday 30th June 09:55
Porsches attitude does leave a bad taste though as I would guess if you were contacting them at the same stage to add additional cost options to the car they would have obliged.
BTW concentrate on enjoying the car.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Wednesday 30th June 09:55
[quote=dazren]Granted a portion of the £5,500 PCCB cost will be lost come resale time but the same can be said about most optional extras. If every PCCB owner in the country has a problem with the discs the effect on resale will be negligible provided alternative steel discs and pads are available.
Porsches attitude does leave a bad taste though as I would guess if you were contacting them at the same stage to add additional cost options to the car they would have obliged.
BTW concentrate on enjoying the car.
DAZ
I dont follow the above Daz unless Porsche decide to compensate PCCB owners en masse (unlikely) surely a secondhand PCCB car will be worth no more than standard.
It costs approx £1500 to convert to steel using the standard calipers and in my mind makes it more saleable.
Sorry to say but surely the PCCB initial expense is lost ?
Porsches attitude does leave a bad taste though as I would guess if you were contacting them at the same stage to add additional cost options to the car they would have obliged.
BTW concentrate on enjoying the car.
DAZ
I dont follow the above Daz unless Porsche decide to compensate PCCB owners en masse (unlikely) surely a secondhand PCCB car will be worth no more than standard.
It costs approx £1500 to convert to steel using the standard calipers and in my mind makes it more saleable.
Sorry to say but surely the PCCB initial expense is lost ?
Reading back what I wrote it was was about as clear as mud. Must stop typing on PH and talking on the phone at the same time. Oops.
Look at it this way. I believe you get larger calipers/discs with the PCCB system on the turbo (not as large as the GT2 though). Rip the PCCB discs and pads off, stick on steels. Sell the PCCB discs and pads to someone else who has PCCB and has "done them in" but doesn't want to switch to steels or pay the high OPC replacment costs. The cost of switching to steels should be less than the money received from selling the ceramic discs and pads. Result not all the £5,500 is lost and you get bigeer discs and pads into the equation. You're larger steel disc equipped car should be of higher value than an equivalent standard steel disc equipped car.
Phew! Think I got away with it.
DAZ
PS - I dunno, try and find a positive angle and clubsport comes in all guns blazing. He should rename himself "Reality Check".
>> Edited by dazren on Wednesday 30th June 10:35
Look at it this way. I believe you get larger calipers/discs with the PCCB system on the turbo (not as large as the GT2 though). Rip the PCCB discs and pads off, stick on steels. Sell the PCCB discs and pads to someone else who has PCCB and has "done them in" but doesn't want to switch to steels or pay the high OPC replacment costs. The cost of switching to steels should be less than the money received from selling the ceramic discs and pads. Result not all the £5,500 is lost and you get bigeer discs and pads into the equation. You're larger steel disc equipped car should be of higher value than an equivalent standard steel disc equipped car.
Phew! Think I got away with it.
DAZ
PS - I dunno, try and find a positive angle and clubsport comes in all guns blazing. He should rename himself "Reality Check".
>> Edited by dazren on Wednesday 30th June 10:35
Sorry Daz, if my response came back as too punchy.
As far as I see it a secondhand PCCB car is worth no more in my eyes less than a steel disc car. I would remove the PCCB and fit steels at once. I really don't know if there is a non warranted market for secondhand PCCB at all. If you try to sell them with 1000 miles use, who knows if they are going to fall apart in the next 1000 miles??
I really cannot see any other way than the extra cost of PCCB being written off by the first owner of the car.
It would be interesting to hear of anyone who has tried to PX a low mileage PCCB car back to Porsche and see their attitude to pricing.
As far as I see it a secondhand PCCB car is worth no more in my eyes less than a steel disc car. I would remove the PCCB and fit steels at once. I really don't know if there is a non warranted market for secondhand PCCB at all. If you try to sell them with 1000 miles use, who knows if they are going to fall apart in the next 1000 miles??
I really cannot see any other way than the extra cost of PCCB being written off by the first owner of the car.
It would be interesting to hear of anyone who has tried to PX a low mileage PCCB car back to Porsche and see their attitude to pricing.
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