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At the weekend, I was doing some practical jobs:
Pick friends up from farm house in the middle of nowhere before taxi at central location before annual 'non-works, works do' Christmas meal; fetch new internal doors; get Christmas tree.
All pretty standard stuff I'm sure you'll agree. It was to my abject disappointment that I found a Clio Cup is not the ideal vehicle choice for this task.
Whilst collecting friends was dispatched with a few complaints:
'You want me to get in the back?'
'Yes'
'But it doesn't have a door?'
'No, it doesn't, it also doesn't have any leg room when you're in there, but you won't find that out til I put the seat back...'
'What?'
'Nothing...'
Doors. Well internal doors it would appear don't actually fit in a Clio. so we'll stay oriental for now...
Tree. Erm. See doors, above.
So, where is this all leading, and what does it have to do with cars?
It got me thinking - I love my Clio (With all of it's impracticality), but one day I will need something practical. Pondering on Autotrader yesterday evening got me looking at Porsche Cayenne's.
So this is my question to the 'PH' intelligentsia. Is the Cayenne a good car?
It's a Porsche. It has received positive reviews. It has a large boot, it's good to drive (I have driven a few via friends/work), and I'm confident that doors, tree's and a variety of other paraphernalia would fit in it.
Is it the thinking petrol-heads car nirvana?
This isn't a question about 'What fast estate?' (I've had a few of these), but more the question: Is a Cayenne actually a good car?
So. Large Germanic SUV - Zero or Hero? Over to you...
Pick friends up from farm house in the middle of nowhere before taxi at central location before annual 'non-works, works do' Christmas meal; fetch new internal doors; get Christmas tree.
All pretty standard stuff I'm sure you'll agree. It was to my abject disappointment that I found a Clio Cup is not the ideal vehicle choice for this task.
Whilst collecting friends was dispatched with a few complaints:
'You want me to get in the back?'
'Yes'
'But it doesn't have a door?'
'No, it doesn't, it also doesn't have any leg room when you're in there, but you won't find that out til I put the seat back...'
'What?'
'Nothing...'
Doors. Well internal doors it would appear don't actually fit in a Clio. so we'll stay oriental for now...
Tree. Erm. See doors, above.
So, where is this all leading, and what does it have to do with cars?
It got me thinking - I love my Clio (With all of it's impracticality), but one day I will need something practical. Pondering on Autotrader yesterday evening got me looking at Porsche Cayenne's.
So this is my question to the 'PH' intelligentsia. Is the Cayenne a good car?
It's a Porsche. It has received positive reviews. It has a large boot, it's good to drive (I have driven a few via friends/work), and I'm confident that doors, tree's and a variety of other paraphernalia would fit in it.
Is it the thinking petrol-heads car nirvana?
This isn't a question about 'What fast estate?' (I've had a few of these), but more the question: Is a Cayenne actually a good car?
So. Large Germanic SUV - Zero or Hero? Over to you...
Dracoro said:
Unless you want the turbo, personally I can't see ANY reason to get this over the VW Toerag (same car really) which looks better inside and out, less in-your-face, better selection of engines etc. Bet VW servicing/parts are cheaper too.
In absolute terms, I completely agree with you. You speak a lot of sense, and indeed front a very good and sensible argument. And if I were to ever actually buy one, I would certainly try the Touareg, as well as the X5 a Disco and a FFRR. But in non-relative terms, without applying a modicum of sense, I would rather have a Porsche than a VW...
I know that they are essentially the same car, I know that they share many parts. But then Susan Boyle shares many parts with Julianne Moore. And I know which I'd rather get into of a morning...
Mine is purely my daily hack and I didn't spend a fortune on it but have you thought ML55? A lot of pitfalls with build quality (that I've not found or had an issue with) but a great car, ultimate sleeper and if you're lucky you could drop on one like me - 54 plate for £4001.23.
It's the first car, in the last 5 years, I've kept more than 6 months and not planning on getting rid because it is awesome!!! It really is.
It's the first car, in the last 5 years, I've kept more than 6 months and not planning on getting rid because it is awesome!!! It really is.
falkster said:
Mine is purely my daily hack and I didn't spend a fortune on it but have you thought ML55? A lot of pitfalls with build quality (that I've not found or had an issue with) but a great car, ultimate sleeper and if you're lucky you could drop on one like me - 54 plate for £4001.23.
It's the first car, in the last 5 years, I've kept more than 6 months and not planning on getting rid because it is awesome!!! It really is.
Jee-zus, they're good value. I just toddled off to Autotrader to have a look!It's the first car, in the last 5 years, I've kept more than 6 months and not planning on getting rid because it is awesome!!! It really is.
Waste of a good Porsche badge and I don't like Porsches!
Good for what it is but *so* compromised trying to be umpteen different things. Too heavy and tall to be a the 'sports' car it tries to be, too ugly trying to copy a sports car onto a massive 4x4 platform. Too expensive and tyre limited to take off road.
As for the toerag one of the funniest things I saw was one of those on silly super low profile road tyres trying to drive across a muddy grass hill and just crabing down it, all four wheels spinning while we had no issues in a mondeo...
Good for what it is but *so* compromised trying to be umpteen different things. Too heavy and tall to be a the 'sports' car it tries to be, too ugly trying to copy a sports car onto a massive 4x4 platform. Too expensive and tyre limited to take off road.
As for the toerag one of the funniest things I saw was one of those on silly super low profile road tyres trying to drive across a muddy grass hill and just crabing down it, all four wheels spinning while we had no issues in a mondeo...
j44esd said:
This isn't a question about 'What fast estate?' (I've had a few of these), but more the question: Is a Cayenne actually a good car?
Yes the Cayenne is a good car. But (off-roading aside) i'd have though a 'fast estate' would be better in pretty much every department? Far less ugly too! A relative had one, very, very impressive for a big old lump of a car. That was the thing though - no matter how good it was, ultimately it was a big lump - so not as good as a smaller lump on the bendy bits.
Personally, I would. People say Porsche serviceing is a lot, from what I've seen it's not as bad as people say, by a decent bit. I'd also mostly look past the "just a VW in clothes" - the same arguement would have everyone in a skoda superb, not an A6 or Passat. Hell, the same logic says a Mazda 6, Modeo, or jag are essentially the same platform, they're all modeos really =) Just don't buy a Q7, whatever you do - the PH hate would wear you down till you jumped ship =)
Personally, I would. People say Porsche serviceing is a lot, from what I've seen it's not as bad as people say, by a decent bit. I'd also mostly look past the "just a VW in clothes" - the same arguement would have everyone in a skoda superb, not an A6 or Passat. Hell, the same logic says a Mazda 6, Modeo, or jag are essentially the same platform, they're all modeos really =) Just don't buy a Q7, whatever you do - the PH hate would wear you down till you jumped ship =)
Some Gump said:
That was the thing though - no matter how good it was, ultimately it was a big lump - so not as good as a smaller lump on the bendy bits.
I know that, but I feel a time may come when a small car just won't hack it for everyday use, hence my query.Some Gump said:
I'd also mostly look past the "just a VW in clothes" - the same arguement would have everyone in a skoda superb, not an A6 or Passat.
It's a good point, I normally advocate the Octavia VRS over an A4 S-line, but something about a 2 ton, 5 door Porsche kind of appeals to me. I can't justify it. It just does!
Some Gump said:
Just don't buy a Q7, whatever you do - the PH hate would wear you down till you jumped ship =)
Don't worry. I won't! 
Briliant piece of engineering, but it answers a question nobody asks. Utterly compromised %"§$!, as all of these SUVs things IMO.
Not sure if you are serious, but for the total costs of running this over a few years, you could likely get a Boxster/Cayman + a decent Estate and have a good amount of fuel money left over.
Not sure if you are serious, but for the total costs of running this over a few years, you could likely get a Boxster/Cayman + a decent Estate and have a good amount of fuel money left over.
Kolbenkopp said:
Briliant piece of engineering, but it answers a question nobody asks. Utterly compromised %"§$!, as all of these SUVs things IMO.
Not sure if you are serious, but for the total costs of running this over a few years, you could likely get a Boxster/Cayman + a decent Estate and have a good amount of fuel money left over.
It's a serious question - not in a 'I am thinking of buying a Cayenne' kind of way, but in a 'Hypothetically, are these things any good?' kind of way. Not sure if you are serious, but for the total costs of running this over a few years, you could likely get a Boxster/Cayman + a decent Estate and have a good amount of fuel money left over.
As for 'utterly compromised' and 'Boxster & decent estate', I know I could but was pondering the idea of a large, over engined SUV, for future purchase.
j44esd said:
It's a serious question - not in a 'I am thinking of buying a Cayenne' kind of way, but in a 'Hypothetically, are these things any good?' kind of way.
As for 'utterly compromised' and 'Boxster & decent estate', I know I could but was pondering the idea of a large, over engined SUV, for future purchase.
Chacun son gout, but I do not understand why anyone would think about buying this:As for 'utterly compromised' and 'Boxster & decent estate', I know I could but was pondering the idea of a large, over engined SUV, for future purchase.
http://www.wengerna.com/giant-knife-16999 (~ €2000)
over a good quality set of specialized tools at half the price.
Kolbenkopp said:
j44esd said:
It's a serious question - not in a 'I am thinking of buying a Cayenne' kind of way, but in a 'Hypothetically, are these things any good?' kind of way.
As for 'utterly compromised' and 'Boxster & decent estate', I know I could but was pondering the idea of a large, over engined SUV, for future purchase.
Chacun son gout, but I do not understand why anyone would think about buying this:As for 'utterly compromised' and 'Boxster & decent estate', I know I could but was pondering the idea of a large, over engined SUV, for future purchase.
http://www.wengerna.com/giant-knife-16999 (~ €2000)
over a good quality set of specialized tools at half the price.
Plus, realistically, I found having two lots of insurance/tax/servicing was not all that cheap - a lack of parking spaces at home didn't help either! (YMMV)
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