Stop lines at lights / junctions

[Morba]

Not sure if it just me, but it seems recently many people are unable to stop at a stop line. So many seem to be half a car or more over it.
This isn't just where someone has gone to jump a light, or failed to pull into a gap at a junction, i'm talking slowly rolling up to a red light and going 5 or 6 feet over it!!

Earlier today some spanner went the full cars length over the line at a red light, he was driving a passat estate!

Muppets!

[jagracer]

Motorbikes do it all the time, what's the difference?

[Cock Womble 7]

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, those drivers who fear the white line and stop five or six feet short of it.

Why?

[Vocal Minority]

I think a lot of people think that the signal itself, not the line, is where to stop

[KB_S1]

Or, to further confuse the issue; those stop/junction/divider lines that are worn so much that they are impossible to make out on a wet night until you are 1cm away from them.

I have noticed that in the majority of cases where someone goes beyond stop lines that are clear and obvious, they are slower getting away than others.
Taxi drivers are probably the worst offenders for this that I have noticed.